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(Note this is from back in April - things have gotten worse for them since).

The bottom line is that most of China's growth has been from massively printing money, and loaning it out crazily - lots of bad debts that will never be paid back.

When they need to buy something from outside the country though, they need to use real money - Dollars, Euros or Yen (over 80% is US Dollars). They are massively dependent on imports of oil, gas, raw materials and food. Their reported foreign reserves are inflated, like every number the communists report. They probably have $2 trillion, about half in US Treasuries (about 5% of outstanding US Treasuries). If they burn through their foreign reserves, they will hit an epic financial crisis - Westerners will likely lose 100% of their investments, and the Chinese population will probably lose a big chunk of their life savings.

It is not just these few banks - the whole Chinese economy has sky high debt loads - over half of their industrial companies are straining just to make the interest payments on their debt (many are taking additional loans, to make the interest payments on their other loans). They can (and likely will) continue to print mountains of their play money, but real US Dollars are increasingly running short for them.

"It isn’t just that the country’s banks are lending dollars overseas, though it doesn’t help that Belt-and-Road projects are overwhelmingly financed in the U.S. currency. Chinese property developers have a rapacious demand, too.

The root of the problem is simple: Beijing would like to be a major financial player overseas, but few borrowers have any interest in the yuan. Most international trade is accounted for in dollars, the yuan is difficult to convert and foreign owners of Chinese assets have at best an uncertain relationship with the country’s legal system.

Investors should keep an eye out for stresses in dollar funding markets. Bank of China may be feeling the squeeze."

1 posted on 10/07/2019 5:21:37 AM PDT by BeauBo
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To: BeauBo

All this economic stuff speaks to the ONE way Trump loses in November: The economy collapses. It is how it’s worked for centuries. And it happens even if the leader in charge has nothing to do with it. e.g. drought causing a famine.


2 posted on 10/07/2019 5:24:39 AM PDT by cuban leaf (We're living in Dr. Zhivago but without the love triangle)
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To: BeauBo

China has rampant fraudulent accounting and crazy bank lending, there is going to be the most epic bubble pop when it goes.

Unfortunately we won’t be able to stand back and laugh, the way the intertwined commerce works it will hit us badly in turn


3 posted on 10/07/2019 5:24:55 AM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: BeauBo

Can’t China create it’s own QE on our currency by having North Korea print more?


4 posted on 10/07/2019 5:26:20 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: LS

Here is a piece from the Wall Street Journal (from April), about China’s growing shortage of hard foreign currency (background for your thread yesterday on Hong Kong cash shortages).

This is their Achilles Heel. When their foreign reserves run out (dip below about 1/2 trillion dollars), it is game over for their take over the world plans, and likely back to a more typical communist command economy, with slow growth and shortages.


6 posted on 10/07/2019 5:29:27 AM PDT by BeauBo
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7 posted on 10/07/2019 5:36:21 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: BeauBo
They can (and likely will) continue to print mountains of their play money, but real US Dollars are increasingly running short for them.

And, just what kind of "money" is so-called "real" US Dollars, if not our own version of play money.

8 posted on 10/07/2019 5:36:31 AM PDT by C210N (If you dislike productive billionaires, be 1,000 times more suspect of one confiscatory trillionaire)
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To: BeauBo
Here's hoping that China doesn't decide to dump their U.S. Treasuries on the open market to make up the shortfall.


11 posted on 10/07/2019 5:48:46 AM PDT by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: BeauBo

The Chinese Communist Party still controls the flow of capital. There is no real free market in China. Banks do what the Party tells them. The banks were forced to finance the construction of over $1 trillion worth of “ghost cities”. Complete large cities with apartments, shopping malls, infrastructure were constructed and remain vacant and deteriorating. There has been no return on investment. Also the banks were forced to finance the construction of China’s military buildup. Over $1.5 trillion has been pumped into the construction of all sorts of ships and military aircraft. There has been no return on the capital.

The Chinese should have paid closer attention to the sub prime lending fiasco in the United States. When American politicians forced banks to lend money for mortgages and consumer loans to people who could never repay, the American economy almost collapsed. The squandering of capital is economic poison.

China may indeed become desperate. All that military equipment is awful tempting to a desperate Chines Communist hierarchy. Taiwan and Siberia beware.


12 posted on 10/07/2019 5:49:58 AM PDT by allendale (.)
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Chinese options:

Sell hard assets such as gold.

Buy dollars with Chinese money..... ha, ha

Turn obligations into loans which is bad for ‘forced’ creditors.

Don’t pay. Chinese will tough it out while Western countries suffer and fail.

This maybe be the Chinese plan B, control the world economically or sink the West. Either way China is left standing.

13 posted on 10/07/2019 5:53:27 AM PDT by Lockbox
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To: BeauBo

Thanks for the article and summation.


16 posted on 10/07/2019 6:06:03 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Charity comes from wealth.)
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To: BeauBo

China should ask the Bidens for a few $$$$$$$$$ returned.


22 posted on 10/07/2019 6:40:05 AM PDT by bgill
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To: BeauBo

Capitalism requires freedom and that means freedom to fail.

In Communist China, failure as they say, is not an option, so they “fix” the system so it will not fail...yet here we are.

What is China going to do when they run out of dollars to buy fuel or food? Go to war?

Some suggest this is an option, but other then revenge against the west, how will that get them more fuel and food?

Hong Kong showed them the way and they shut their eyes to the real path to wealth. They would rather cheat, lie and steal from the west then do the hard work necessary to develop the country they already control.

There is a reason that Communism (Socialism) and Capitalism does not get along. Communism needs complete control, and Capitalism needs freedom.

This is just an opinion no more valid then your opinion.


23 posted on 10/07/2019 6:41:19 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (I am not an expert in anything, and my opinion is just that, an opinion. I may be wrong.)
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To: BeauBo

At least a partial solution for China would be to end US tariffs on their goods being sold here. To do that, they’d need to stop subsidizing their companies (which would also save them money), allow the sale of US goods in China IN REALITY (rather than just in theory), and stop stealing the intellectual property of others. Do those things, and I’m quite sure that a deal will be offered by President Trump that helps the Chinese economy...

...and don’t think that Trump was unaware of, and unwilling to take advantage of, the crappy state of their foreign reserves. Mr. President, PRESS THE PEDAL TO THE METAL! Keep the pressure on...they will fold before too long.


24 posted on 10/07/2019 6:54:39 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: BeauBo

Not to worry. Just like they copy our products to sell on the Cheap they’ll reverse-engineer how our $ is printed and start printing their own versions up:-)


28 posted on 10/07/2019 7:05:52 AM PDT by Harpotoo (Being a socialist is a lot easier than having to WORK like the rest of US:-))
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To: BeauBo

Just sell your ghost cities for cash, that is, if a buyer exists for deteriorated property that China Inc. will merely confiscate.


30 posted on 10/07/2019 7:19:01 AM PDT by TheNext (Leader of the Happy People of the World)
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To: BeauBo

The Fed is extending its overnight repo program for another month. This is where the Fed will give you “cash” for your treasuries overnight. The rates are pretty high right now...and the Fed is selling 40-$50 billion every night.

This points to a liquidity problem in the market—which is “normal” at the end of a quarter. But not normal going into November.


31 posted on 10/07/2019 7:22:52 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: BeauBo

Wait until after the election and Trump makes his move on the Federal Reserve. China will have a heart attack.


38 posted on 10/07/2019 8:59:52 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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