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'Extremely Unfair': Bernie Sanders Denies His Form of Socialism Is the Same as Venezuela's or Cuba's
PJ Media ^ | 09/13/2019 | Nicholas Ballasy

Posted on 09/13/2019 8:41:35 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: bert

Exactly. If the government paid Hubby and me each $1000 a month in addition to our other sources of income (pension, etc.) I’d quit working. My daughter was talking to a woman once who believed the government should give everybody in the country a place to live and enough to eat all free. Daughter asked “why would I work if everything is provided free?” The woman could not comprehend that. She thought people would continue working to “contribute their share.” My daughter just laughed at her.


21 posted on 09/13/2019 8:57:58 AM PDT by Hoffer Rand (God be greater than the worries in my life, be stronger than the weakness in my mind, be magnified.)
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To: Innovative

I’ve had a leftist tell me the “Union of Soviet Socialist Republic” and the “National German Socialist Workers Party” were not “socialist”.

Even when the name includes “Socialist”, leftists deny it’s socialist.

Leftism truly is a severe & violent mental disorder.


22 posted on 09/13/2019 8:58:49 AM PDT by newfreep ("INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" - DAVID HOROWITZ)
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To: a fool in paradise

Bernie also LOVED the USSR spent half s honeymoon there Bernie is a commie lover, socialism IS socialism there are NOT different kinds of communism and socialism GIVE ME A DAMN BREAK!!! The damn people in this country are SO STUPID they are running around in Mao shirts and have absolutely NO IDEA the history of the person they so PROUDLY wear on their shirt!!! The cost of their education and the STUPIDITY they come out with after 4 years at a university is just shameful, OMG most of us have a high school education EQUAL to a BA of today!!!


23 posted on 09/13/2019 8:59:46 AM PDT by Trump Girl Kit Cat (Yosemite Sam raising hell)
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To: Hoffer Rand; All
“Every worker in this country deserves a living wage.”

What worker in the United States does not get a "living wage"? What exactly, does that mean?

People who are working in the United States are not starving.

Their children go to free schools. They have cars, air conditioning, often free food, and inexpensive, good clothing.

The people that are hurting fall into a number of groups. Here are common causes:

1. They are single mothers who find it difficult to work and care for children together.

2. They are drug or alcohol addicted people who spend a significant part of their income on their addictions.

3. They are mentally impaired.

4. They live in places where regulations have made the cost of housing so high, it takes most of their income.

5. They have medical bills that take most of their income.

People who are working in the United States would be considered upper middle class in most of the rest of the world.

24 posted on 09/13/2019 9:02:09 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: bert
In equality and laziness result in the inability to work at a high wage.

THIS.

Jordan Peterson -- who is, admittedly a clinical psychologist and not an economist -- has pointed out that it is a symptom of every system of production that 20% of the people will provide 80% of the value.

Karl Marx looked at "capitalism" and saw that 20% of the people owned about 80% of the stuff. He concluded that "capitalism" was flawed and needed to be replaced. If you look at the USSR, Red China, Cuba, Venezuela, etc. you are likely to find that 20% of the people own about 80% of the stuff. This is just how systems of production work out.

Inequality and laziness aren't going away. And some people are just high achievers. The only way to attempt any sort of balance is to use violence to punish the high achievers. But even then we would still find that 20% of the people owned about 80% of the stuff -- but there would be "less stuff" because so many high achievers had been killed.

Even distribution is a myth. You cannot make a world of equality. But you can make a world of Freedom -- if you stay away from socialism.

25 posted on 09/13/2019 9:03:09 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sweden and Denmark continued Nazi policies of forced serialization for those deemed unworthy into the 1960s and 1970s. That fits with Bernie’s recent comments about support for 3rd world eugenics.


26 posted on 09/13/2019 9:03:28 AM PDT by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.)
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To: SeekAndFind

In other words he’ll be a nice all powerful emperor.


27 posted on 09/13/2019 9:03:55 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Prov 24: Do not fret because of evildoers. Do not associate with those given to change.)
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To: Hoffer Rand
She thought people would continue working to “contribute their share.” My daughter just laughed at her.

That kind of thinking goes back at least as far as Rousseau who basically thought all people would good and that all people would do the right thing if you just gave them a chance.

Rousseau (and his modern day equivalents) have failed to understand human nature. But it sounds like your daughter understands it just fine.

28 posted on 09/13/2019 9:05:54 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: Azeem

You mean sterilization??


29 posted on 09/13/2019 9:08:07 AM PDT by SFConservative
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To: Azeem
Sweden and Denmark continued Nazi policies of forced serialization for those deemed unworthy into the 1960s and 1970s.

I believe in Iceland today, there is no one with Down's Syndrome. Because they just kill them all. 100%.

30 posted on 09/13/2019 9:08:11 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: SeekAndFind

All Socialist ideas start off like Bernie but eventually end up like Venezuela.


31 posted on 09/13/2019 9:12:24 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: SeekAndFind

The only Socialism that has ever worked is the Israeli Kibbutz system.
Israel was a dump after WW2 and it needed to be rebuilt from scratch.

The Kibbutz system gave people a community and a place call home as they rebuilt Israel.
It worked because if they didn’t unify, the Arabs would have taken the land back from them.


32 posted on 09/13/2019 9:19:11 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: SeekAndFind

The Secret of Bernie’s Millions

How did he amass three houses and a net worth approaching at least $2 million? The surprisingly conventional middle-class climbing of a radical-sounding socialist.

By MICHAEL KRUSE

May 24, 2019

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/05/24/bernie-sanders-millionaires-226982


33 posted on 09/13/2019 9:23:11 AM PDT by COUNTrecount (If only Harvey Weinstein's bathrobe could talk.)
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To: newfreep

There is no democracy in democratic socialism

Just as there is no liberty in postmodernist liberalism


34 posted on 09/13/2019 9:25:59 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Denounce DUAC - The Democrats Un-American Activists Committee)
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To: COBOL2Java

Bernie said that standing in line for a meager ration of bread in a socialist country is better than people going to a grocery store and finding an abundance of food. Of course, the socialist ruling class gets the best of everything and everyone else gets crumbs.


35 posted on 09/13/2019 9:29:46 AM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Socialism is a system that surrenders power to the most powerful. Authority is thereby maintained with power, eg control through violence and intimidation.
Under socialism, those in power accrue wealth to themselves first. Controlling a country’s economics is fundamental to maintaining control of the people.
Socialism is government by the law of those in authority. It is oligarchic, tyrannical, and clandestine. There are no examples of socialism outside these parameters.
Bernie Sanders has demonstrated, by his actions, that he is interested in acquiring wealth. He currently owns more than a million dollars in real estate, acquired since running for president. His wife destroyed the finances of Burlington college with her misguided greed. Her $200 thousand severance package was clearly a buyout of her contract. These are not people who I would put in charge of my local food store.


36 posted on 09/13/2019 9:30:29 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (The denial of the authority of God is the central plank of the Progressive movement.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Bernie's style of Socialism is contingent on a fundamental shift in human behavior. Fair, instead of free.

The shooting part is only later, for those that do not obey the memo...

37 posted on 09/13/2019 9:31:06 AM PDT by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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To: Home-of-the-lazy-dog

I was wondering how many posts it would take to note that the Venezuelans voted in Hugo Chavez on the basis of promises similar to Bernie’s.


38 posted on 09/13/2019 9:37:17 AM PDT by Chaguito
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To: SeekAndFind

How are elected incompetent people in a socialist/Communist environment capable of running a fair government and economic system?

They will either favor their favorite group or themselves until they die or are assassinated?


39 posted on 09/13/2019 9:43:14 AM PDT by ADSUM
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To: SeekAndFind
This refrain comes along ad inevitable as the dawn. "It's different this time, not like the last few dozen or so. It will work this time." Neither Canada nor any Scandinavian country is socialist, they're high-tax capitalist welfare states. And we're still waiting for those "free" elections in Venezuela.

They never learn because they don't want to learn. These are progressives who will never progress.

40 posted on 09/13/2019 9:50:34 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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