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Full headline: Federal appeals court rules that presidential electors can basically screw over voters and cast a ballot for whomever they want
1 posted on 08/23/2019 7:02:10 AM PDT by SleeperCatcher
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To: SleeperCatcher

Pretty sure the elector laws differ from state to state. But, some uber intelligent judge someplace decides he’s smarter than the legislators. Then again, most of us are.


2 posted on 08/23/2019 7:03:50 AM PDT by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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As I understand it, this throws a huge monkey wrench in those states trying to align electors with the national popular vote.

They can’t.


3 posted on 08/23/2019 7:04:33 AM PDT by chris37 (Monday, March 25 2019 is Maga Day!)
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That will be the last thing they screw! 🤣
4 posted on 08/23/2019 7:07:11 AM PDT by Lopeover (We Are #TRUMPSTRONG)
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Actually that is just the opposite. It held up the rule that already existed, and scotched the rule that forced electors to vote for the popular vote winner.


5 posted on 08/23/2019 7:08:05 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (All I know is The I read in the papers.)
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If one reads the opinion, it is clear that the majority opinion is based on the intention of the Framers that Presidential electors were to have a large measure of discretion in how they voted. Original intent — it can be a bitch.


6 posted on 08/23/2019 7:15:49 AM PDT by Rockingham
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The ERA OF THE HIGHEST BIDDER has arrived.


7 posted on 08/23/2019 7:16:05 AM PDT by House Atreides (Boycott the NFL 100% — PERMANENTLY)
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Let them try it and see what happens when Trump pulls off a mega vote margin .


8 posted on 08/23/2019 7:19:42 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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Electors are independent (temporary) officials who choose the President and Vice President.

Voting by individuals for President and Vice President is not mandated by the Constitution, and where voting for this purpose is allowed (in all 50 States, at present), the voters are choosing Electors, not a President.

All 50 States are free to change the method they use to choose Electors.

Because of this, there is not and there cannot be such a thing as a “national popular vote”.


9 posted on 08/23/2019 7:25:27 AM PDT by Jim Noble (There is nothing racist in stating plainly what most people already know)
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A think a 2-1 vote means it was not the full court at that court of appeals. The next step will likely mean - think - that that appeals court, the full court, will have to weigh in as the latest decision is appealed further. Then AFTER that it will have to go the the SCOTUS.


11 posted on 08/23/2019 7:57:50 AM PDT by Wuli
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It is up to the Party in each State to be sure the electors chosen are rock solid. This is not a big deal.

More importantly they through a monkey wrench in the Liberals attempt to bypass the EC with their Compact idea.


12 posted on 08/23/2019 7:59:23 AM PDT by billyboy15
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Citizens do not have the right to vote for electors, who in turn are not obligated to vote in the peoples’ interest.


13 posted on 08/23/2019 8:30:35 AM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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Why is this shocking to anyone? The Electoral Collage was intended from the start to be this way.

State election laws hold president until the Collage is assembled, per the Constitution. At hat point, state law does not apply.

Simple.


14 posted on 08/23/2019 8:51:07 AM PDT by Freeport (The proper application of high explosives will remove all obstacles.)
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In 2000 Bush needed all his electors and he didn’t lose any.


15 posted on 08/23/2019 8:54:42 AM PDT by AU72
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It was never about forcing electors to vote one way on another, it was about how electors were selected in the first place.

Each state party assembles a slate of electors, made up of state party members and approved by the party's candidate. These slates are partisan and predisposed to vote for their party's candidate. "Winner take all" elections simply means that the state-wide winner determines which slate, in entirety, goes to the Electoral College.

This ruling seems to be moot because it does nothing about HOW the electors are chosen. It only says that once chosen, they are free to vote how they please. Since they were chosen as partisan slates, how they vote isn't really in doubt.

Things like the NPV compact affect which partisan slate gets selected, not really how they will vote once selected, which should be a foregone conclusion anyway.

-PJ

18 posted on 08/23/2019 9:04:52 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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We don't even have the right to vote for President: the state legislature could pick electors themselves, assign them by lottery, whatever.

The point the Court made is that once chosen, each elector is a Federal officer no longer subject to state law.

Which is what the founders intended.

19 posted on 08/23/2019 9:10:36 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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POTUS is elected by the Electors of the States, not by the States.


21 posted on 08/23/2019 9:55:47 AM PDT by 1_Of_We
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and they also might not have a home to return to
22 posted on 08/23/2019 3:48:02 PM PDT by Chode (Send bachelors, and come heavily armed!)
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