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To: be-baw
The truth is the FBI has been corrupt and/or inept for a long time.

I shoot with a lot of FBI and Secret Service agents. This is certainly a biased sample (those who shoot at a public range often enough to get to know civilian shooters), but the ones I have talked with are almost universally high-integrity Trump supporters who are disgusted by this deep state effort to overthrow the duly-elected President of the United States. They hate Comey for harming the FBI's image and for treason. The pencil pushers who like working from a desk are more likely to be Obama plants, but the FBI has a whole lot of field agents who are real Americans.

16 posted on 08/21/2019 2:10:11 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Pollster1

I have talked with are almost universally high-integrity Trump supporters who are disgusted by this deep state effort to overthrow the duly-elected President of the United States.

Then why don’t they go out and SAY that in public?


31 posted on 08/21/2019 2:28:08 PM PDT by Pravious
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To: Pollster1

Sorry, but I must respectfully disagree.

These agencies have no real check on their power; who controls them? The president, of course not. The AG? And what if he’s no good or rogue or influenced by globalists. The “rank and file” can easily become corrupted by the agency culture or at minimum they are effectively silenced because they don’t want to lose their jobs and pensions, and that’s understandable but not acceptable for a republic.

They take an oath to defend the constitution, but we all know that the regular guys will break the 4th amendment if it suits them via reverse engineering. They have many means of obtaining information. They use routinely use secret and criminal informants. They are allowed to lie to obtain evidence (upheld by SCOTUS), but it’s a felony to lie to them.

The individuals might not necessarily be intrinsically bad people, but they are operating in a flawed system. They operate secretly, they can’t be easily removed. oversight is almost non-existent and of course they can be voted out.

Really, we need to devolve as power as reasonably possible to the State level. Of course there is a need for federal agents in foreign situations, but I believe that the power needs to shift to the States where these people can’t be managed by the people.

Even saying this is good enough to put you on a watch list. What is the “rank and file” doing about that policy? Crickets.


33 posted on 08/21/2019 2:30:44 PM PDT by grumpygresh
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To: Pollster1

Thanks for the feedback. Maybe there’s hope.


35 posted on 08/21/2019 2:32:57 PM PDT by be-baw
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