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So here’s the real compromise: even firearms dealers will no longer have to keep a record (known as Form 4473) of who bought what – those eventually end up in government hands for databasing. The dealer verifies his customer by ID, (just like a liquor retailer who cards a customer) but gun purchases are private.


Huh? That makes no sense.

No traceable weapons at all?

So, if Bill goes into Bubbuh’s fine guns, buys a gun, and knocks over a liquor store with said gun, how do we know who sold him the gun? How do we know they asked for ID or anything?

This is confusing and seems utterly pointless.


7 posted on 08/20/2019 7:30:55 AM PDT by cuban leaf (We're living in Dr. Zhivago but without the love triangle)
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To: cuban leaf
No traceable weapons at all? So, if Bill goes into Bubbuh’s fine guns, buys a gun, and knocks over a liquor store with said gun, how do we know who sold him the gun? How do we know they asked for ID or anything? This is confusing and seems utterly pointless.

Tracing is utterly pointless.

It is virtually never used to solve crimes.

A few guns may get returned to people they were stolen from.

That is the only thing it accomplishes that is legitimate.

The purpose of tracing is to be a precursor to registration.

The author is suggesting a point of sale check to determine if a gun may be legally sold. That is what we have now, except it does not work well and collects the pointless information for a supposedly non-existent registration system.

20 posted on 08/20/2019 7:42:24 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: cuban leaf
So, if Bill goes into Bubbuh’s fine guns, buys a gun, and knocks over a liquor store with said gun, how do we know who sold him the gun? How do we know they asked for ID or anything?

If Bill has a criminal record who precludes his having a gun, then he would not have gotten a gun from Bubbuh.

How can they enforce keeping gun sellers honest? By occasionally sending in an undercover officer with an ID which will turn up "denied", and seeing if Bubbuh sells anyway -- at which point Bubbuh is in trouble.

25 posted on 08/20/2019 7:50:07 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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To: cuban leaf

There are no Constitutional laws or regulations re fire or any other arms. Actions are, however, appropriate subjects for laws and regulations. The 2Amd says “...shall not be infringed,” nothing else and there are no exceptions in that amendment for anything.


33 posted on 08/20/2019 8:30:51 AM PDT by arthurus (sfk0oODocdbg)
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