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To: nathanbedford
As to the question why did we (meaning at that time Great Britain and the Empire) not declare war on Russia for invading Poland, one has to be observant of realities on the ground. The idea that England could take on both of these superpowers ( between them Germany and Russia would kill approximately 35 million of each other's people in a war in which Britain and America each lost less than 500,000 dead), is simply not credible. That is why Churchill uttered his famous quip in support of his making an alliance with Russia against Nazi Germany, "If Hitler invaded Hell I would at least make a friendly reference to the devil in the House of Commons."

Larger reality on the ground: in the US, including right in Roosevelt's cabinet, we had lots of Communists.

This is why cultivated public opinion was against entering the war until after Hitler invaded the USSR (22 June 1941), at which point it immediately turned around. Meanwhile, Roosevelt froze Japan's assets (July 26, 1941) and imposed an oil embargo on August 1, making Japan's declaring war on the US inevitable.

48 posted on 08/15/2019 10:25:11 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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To: PapaBear3625
I have a few quibbles with your analysis.

The isolationism in America prior to Pearl Harbor was also related to the high level of German and Italians then living here not to mention many Irish with a grievance against Great Britain rather than a effect of communist influence among the general population of America.

American isolationism was a product of the ghastly carnage of the trenches in World War I and the evident failure of the Treaty of Versailles and the pathetic league of Nations to curb what Americans regarded to be a penchant for war among European nations.

The general mood for noninvolvement was largely unaffected by Hitler's invasion of Russia, but you are quite correct the previous neutral posture of the Communists flipped entirely with the invasion of Russia. The general population quite naturally sprang almost unanimously to favor war simply because of the Pearl Harbor attack. Hitler obligingly relieved Roosevelt of the problem of waging war against Nazi Germany by declaring war on America and even made it possible for the allies to prioritize the war in Europe over the war in the Pacific with that act of folly.

I would agree that the imposition of the oil embargo made Japan's decision to wage undeclared war more likely but not necessarily inevitable. The oil embargo was entirely justified in view of Japan's brutality in China and aggression in Manchuria. Japan's decision to wage war was the product of a military class which simply would not consider any other option but might have acted otherwise if the Emperor had weighed in against the attack on Pearl Harbor.


59 posted on 08/15/2019 11:02:37 AM PDT by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack! Bull Halsey)
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