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Navy Reverting DDGs Back to Physical Throttles, After Fleet Rejects Touchscreen Controls
USNI News ^ | August 9, 2019 10:46 AM | Megan Eckstein

Posted on 08/12/2019 6:20:55 AM PDT by robowombat

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1 posted on 08/12/2019 6:20:55 AM PDT by robowombat
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Most new cars slam on brakes before hitting something. I say embrace technology and make it work for you. Ditching these systems is kind of nutty at this stage.


2 posted on 08/12/2019 6:24:21 AM PDT by devane617 (Text me when someone on the Left is perp walked. Now, back to watching Lassie...)
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maybe bad training and woman stuff but I’d say that the real fear for the future is....

CHINA.

Who knows what cr*p they put in the stuff they make.


3 posted on 08/12/2019 6:24:59 AM PDT by gaijin
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IOW, it wasn't broke but they spent a ton of money to fix it.

I'm just glad it's the Navy where they worry about going down with the ship right along with everyone else so they're willing to admit a mistake and actually undo some mindless "improvement" that obviously wasn't widely tested for a period of time before it was done.

4 posted on 08/12/2019 6:25:45 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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FWIW, I hate touch screens. I’ve used touch screen keyboards and they REALLY suck. You need tactile feedback to know you hit the right key. Heck, look at the push buttons on the Apollo spacecraft. All of the buttons are in a little hole so it’s very difficult to hit the wrong one.

Touch screens are nice for some things, but are a real pain for others.

And one of the biggest pains is when they don’t respond.


5 posted on 08/12/2019 6:29:29 AM PDT by cuban leaf (We're living in Dr. Zhivago but without the love triangle)
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I stood helm duty many times, it's like trying to steer a bathtub with a butter knife, but I got used to it.
I don't think I could be any good with a helm that resembled a video game.
6 posted on 08/12/2019 6:31:26 AM PDT by red-dawg (Climate change caused the end of the Ice Age. Did man play a part in it?)
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All these changes sound good. Made me wonder why they didn't think of things like helm commonality prior to building these boats.

But then the more I thought about it, I suspect there were probably several old timers who raised objections to the touch screens and difficulty finding heading and controlling throttles. Probably were overruled and forced into retirement for not embracing the culture of the time.
7 posted on 08/12/2019 6:35:18 AM PDT by chrisser
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Control it with your smartphone not a good idea?

Who would have thought?

A similar issue with the new Boeing tanker, where they did away with the kid flying the boom visually in the back with a dude in the pilot cockpit using cameras and semi automated system. The lens distortions and what not make it real problematic.

The more interfaces you add, the more problems


8 posted on 08/12/2019 6:42:16 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security in hatse:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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There’s a reason modern airliners still have physical throttles.

It’s important to know, for certain, what throttle and brake input is being provided to a vehicle, and the ability to control that input without having to look at a screen.


9 posted on 08/12/2019 6:46:58 AM PDT by ConservativeWarrior (Fall down 7 times, stand up 8. - Japanese proverb)
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MAX 8


10 posted on 08/12/2019 6:57:33 AM PDT by Paladin2
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There’s a reason modern airliners still have physical throttles.

Like the stick, the throttles control electrical and hydraulic systems. The retrofitted controls on the DDGs will do the same.

Not like the old days when the throttle on the bridge moved a nearly identical indicator in the engine room. Then the engineering officer would shout out the engine throttle.

11 posted on 08/12/2019 7:01:53 AM PDT by IndispensableDestiny
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Agreed. The biggest value in having physical throttles (whether mechanically linked to the actual engines/motors or not) is the operator knowing, without question, what input he is providing to the system.

You just don’t get that with a touchscreen.


12 posted on 08/12/2019 7:08:25 AM PDT by ConservativeWarrior (Fall down 7 times, stand up 8. - Japanese proverb)
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Embracing technology does not mean using the wrong kind of device to control something. There is a good reason cars have steering wheels and pedals, and planes have physical throttle levers even though in most modern designs the throttle or the gas pedal just moves a sensor.

Have you ever tried to steer something with a touch screen? They don't provide the physical feedback that helps people do the task.

There is much to be gained from using proven physical controls even if there is a computer responding to the user's actions.

13 posted on 08/12/2019 7:09:45 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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MAX 8


My thoughts as well.

First we have Boeing admit their computer software was the root cause of two deadly accidents.

Now we have the Navy admitting their computer touchscreens were the root cause of two deadly accidents.


14 posted on 08/12/2019 7:09:47 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: robowombat

Maybe I’m old but a touchscreen throttle sounds like trouble waiting. (I realize it’s a bigger and heavier craft but I’m picturing a couple of our rough fishing trips and trying to manage a touchscreen while being hammered by the ocean...)


15 posted on 08/12/2019 7:09:49 AM PDT by jughandle (Big words anger me, keep talking.)
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One hit and the electronics go out and you are rudderless. Really really stupid.


16 posted on 08/12/2019 7:12:12 AM PDT by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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I can run AIS on a Raspberry Pi that costs about $100, so add about $5000 for gov’t procurement and a nice industrial enclosure and you’ve got that solved.


17 posted on 08/12/2019 7:16:07 AM PDT by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan.)
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Navy Reverting DDGs Back to Physical Throttles

THAT is Progress!
18 posted on 08/12/2019 7:16:42 AM PDT by DivineMomentsOfTruth ("There is but one straight course, and that is to seek truth and pursue it steadily." -GW)
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I agree with the assessment. Our brains connect and react using more than just vision. In fact visual, plus an additional sense will prevent errors. Especially in a split secomd decision.
If you cannot watch the road ahead of you.. why are you driving with sons, daughter and wives all around you.
Our brains work more efficiently with multiple connections.
How about our aviators? Thoughts on the brain’s ability to perceive and react with a single sense vs multiple.
If you need lane assist, you shouldn’t be driving. That’s commin sense.


19 posted on 08/12/2019 7:17:11 AM PDT by momincombatboots (Do you know anyone who isnÂ’t a socialist after 65? Freedom exchanged cash, a medicare card control.)
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Ordering a Big Mac on the McD touch screen system is a pain in the butt. How much more problematic when lives are at risk.
20 posted on 08/12/2019 7:19:20 AM PDT by robowombat (Orthodox)
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