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Investors try to figure out Trump’s trade war endgame: ‘I can’t even tell you what victory is’
CNBC ^ | 8/7/19 | Jeff Cox

Posted on 08/07/2019 10:31:24 AM PDT by semimojo

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"Tariffs are hurting China, and at least theoretically the U.S. could change supply chains and push China to the periphery of world commerce, as in the Maoist era. However, that still wouldn’t guarantee a free-trade environment that would take U.S. growth to another level.

“You’re creating a disruption, but all you’re really doing is potentially weakening the Chinese economy,” Blitz said. “But to what effect? It’s a good question.”

This has really been my question all along. If we want to bring manufacturing back and lower the trade deficit tariffs aren't working, yet.

If all we want to do is hurt China, they are, but it's at a real cost to the US and world's economy.

What does winning mean?

1 posted on 08/07/2019 10:31:24 AM PDT by semimojo
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To: semimojo

Hey, Blitzed, victory will be more jobs returning to U.S. shores. Unless that happens, the trade war is meaningless.


2 posted on 08/07/2019 10:37:43 AM PDT by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: semimojo

That is a question for the President, of course.

But in my view, victory means manufacturing/mining/production is done on USA real estate; employing AMERICAN workers at decent, market-generated wages.

Victory means that we produce what we consume.

Victory will manifest itself in a large and thriving middle class.

Unleash freedom - real freedom - on the people and the ‘invisible hand’ will take care of the rest.


3 posted on 08/07/2019 10:38:33 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: semimojo

What does winning mean?

I am baffled by this comment. We are not hurting China’s economy or even attempting too. China is responsible for hurting their economy. They can reach a fair trade agreement tomorrow and all the tariffs would disappear. The US trade negotiators are not even asking anything unreasonable. Why isn’t the media asking why China is being so stupid out of pride.


4 posted on 08/07/2019 10:39:05 AM PDT by BushCountry (thinks he needs a gal whose name doesn't end in ".jpg")
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To: Yo-Yo
Hey, Blitzed, victory will be more jobs returning to U.S. shores. Unless that happens, the trade war is meaningless.

And so far the effect has been to move them from China to Vietnam, India, Bangladesh, etc.

5 posted on 08/07/2019 10:39:49 AM PDT by semimojo
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To: semimojo

We win. They lose.


6 posted on 08/07/2019 10:42:39 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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‘victory is We win, they lose!............


7 posted on 08/07/2019 10:42:56 AM PDT by Red Badger (Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain......................)
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What does winning mean?

If you have to ask then you are a Free Traitor™.

8 posted on 08/07/2019 10:43:39 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: MichaelCorleone

Simple. $0 trade deficit with the world. Anything else is unacceptable


9 posted on 08/07/2019 10:44:27 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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Question.....

“If you want to be successful, you have to be strategic,” Steven Blitz, chief U.S. economist at TS Lombard. “Be very clear what the point is, how you want to get it, what is the victory.

Answer...

“The president has said numerous times his ultimate goal with respect to the world trading system is zero tariffs, zero non-tariff trading barriers and zero subsidies,” said Kudlow, director of the National Economic Council.

I’m not sure you can get much clearer or more direct in answering Blitz’s comment/question.

Ross hits the Chinese for subsidizing their cabinet manufacturing, which makes it almost impossible for US companies to compete against.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/08/07/wilbur-ross-hits-chinese-cabinet-manufacturers-with-4-4-billion-countervailing-duty-beijing-caught-w-stunning-200-subsidy-rate-for-chinese-companies/

“Today’s determination gives the American kitchen cabinet industry the hope it needs in our fight against China’s unfair trade practices,” Stephen Wellborn, director of product and research development at U.S. manufacturer Wellborn Cabinet and a member of the American alliance, said in an emailed statement. (more)

So, I guess at the end of the day, the Presidents goal is for everyone to compete and trade fairly, or don’t compete and trade at all. I think that’s a pretty simple goal. Unfortunate that the globalists of Wall St and Congress don’t see it that way, given their allegiance to China.


10 posted on 08/07/2019 10:45:31 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: MichaelCorleone
Victory means that we produce what we consume.

I understand the attraction of the sentiment but that hasn't been the direction of the world for 50 years.

11 posted on 08/07/2019 10:47:15 AM PDT by semimojo
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To: central_va
Simple. $0 trade deficit with the world. Anything else is unacceptable

Better get to work weakening the dollar.

12 posted on 08/07/2019 10:48:30 AM PDT by semimojo
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I am no financial guru but understand what the President is doing. Poor trading policies for years have allowed other countries to rip off the USA for many years. The President is establishing some balance, some sanity to our national trade. What is so hard to understand?


13 posted on 08/07/2019 10:50:17 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said theoal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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The president has said numerous times his ultimate goal with respect to the world trading system is zero tariffs, zero non-tariff trading barriers and zero subsidies,” said Kudlow, director of the National Economic Council

That's Kudlow's take but we've also heard return manufacturing jobs, eliminate the trade deficit, force China to restructure their economy, etc.

That's the problem, every day there's a new goal so how do you know if you've arrived.

As an aside, if we really want to eliminate tariffs we should sign on to TPP which had huge reductions in tariffs for the members.

14 posted on 08/07/2019 10:52:17 AM PDT by semimojo
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What is so hard to understand?

Why the hate filled media writes this crap nonstop.

15 posted on 08/07/2019 10:52:18 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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I can tell what defeat is, because it’s been ongoing for years. China has been fighting a trade war without response from us. They sign agreements and break them.

We can fight back or continue our ongoing surrender.


16 posted on 08/07/2019 10:52:20 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (The internet has driven the world mad.)
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I will let our founders explain it to you globalist anti American < expletive deleted >.

The pre-amble of the Tariff Act of 1789 says it all:

An Act for laying a Duty on Goods, Wares, and Merchandises imported into the United States.

Sec. 1. Whereas it is necessary for the support of government, for the discharge of the debts of the United States, and the encouragement and protection of manufactures, that duties be laid on goods, wares and merchandises imported:

17 posted on 08/07/2019 10:54:06 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: elpadre
Poor trading policies for years have allowed other countries to rip off the USA for many years. The President is establishing some balance, some sanity to our national trade. What is so hard to understand?

But since we've started these tariffs our trade deficits have increased and the jobs aren't coming back to the US.

So would you say they're working?

18 posted on 08/07/2019 10:56:47 AM PDT by semimojo
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To: semimojo

Now, but if we continue down this road and make tariffs uniform, we will repatriate all industry back here. We have to go slow because of globalist traitors. See, we cant hang Tories like we did in the 18th century.


19 posted on 08/07/2019 10:57:13 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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What about our gargantuan public debt? $23.5 trillion and going parabolic as we speak.

Foreign countries recycle those trade surplus dollars into US Treasuries, collect interest and repeat the process.

With interest rates this low for this long, including bank savings rates, would-be savers are forced to look to riskier assets in search for yield.

Where would the money come from to finance our out-of-control spending? The Fed? Other Central Banks?

Point being zero trade deficits with the entire world can only work if our own fiscal house is in order and interest on savings accounts was high enough to make it worth it to save. And if maintaining reserve currency status was not absolutely essential like it is now.


20 posted on 08/07/2019 10:57:32 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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