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Stop Calling Epstein’s Victims Young Women. They’re Children.
FATHERLY ^ | Jul 09 2019 | Lizzy Francis

Posted on 07/28/2019 1:52:37 PM PDT by MarvinStinson

In no world is a 14-year-old an underage woman. She is a child.

On Saturday, July 6, Jeffrey Epstein, a billionaire financier who has ties to Prince Andrew, President Trump, and former President Clinton was arrested for violating Title 18 of the United States Code, Section 1591. Epstein was charged with child sex trafficking crimes and conspiracy to commit sex trafficking both in New York and Florida between 2002 and 2005. The charge comes from the Attorney General’s Office of the Southern District of New York, 11 years after Epstein got off on similar charges through a plea deal handed to him by then-U.S. attorney and now-Labor Secretary, Alex Acosta. That plea deal is now under new scrutiny in light of Epstein’s recent charges.

Epstein pleaded guilty to state charges of soliciting prostitution in 2008 and received an extremely lenient sentence. He had to register as a sex offender and spend 13 months in jail but was allowed to leave the jail on work release. What’s more, Acosta and his court also agreed to abandon investigating Epstein any further, and to not to prosecute any person who was also accused of finding Epstein young girls.

After serving his sentence, Epstein has walked free. Until now, that is. Unsealed court records show that the 66-year-old is accused of luring underage girls as young as 14 (some 42 years younger than him) to his $77 million home, according to New York Magazine, “under the guise of paying them cash for massages.” He is accused of then molesting them and sending them to find more underage girls that he could assault, paying those young children money for finding more victims.

If charged, Epstein could spend up to 45 years in prison for his crimes. He is being held without bail at the Manhattan Correctional Center and prosecutors want to seize his Manhattan townhouse. His employees are accused of helping him procure underage girls when he traveled. During a raid of his Upper East Side Manhattan townhouse on Monday, investigators found a safe filled with photographs of children.

This disturbing case is receiving a lot of media coverage. And as outlets have reported on Epstein’s charges, I’ve noticed that many reports continue to refer to the victims of his crimes as women instead of girls. They mention that Epstein lured “underage women” to his home under the guise of getting massages, to engage in sex acts with those “underage women” for pay and recruited those “underage women” to find him more underage women to engage sex acts with. Several articles published yesterday stated that Epstein was trafficking “underage women” or “young women” for “sex” or sexual acts.

Here’s the thing: There is no such thing as an “underage woman.” There is such a thing, however, as a young woman — but a young woman is still over 18, and Epstein’s alleged victims were not. At least one article, confoundingly, referred to the girls as “underage females,” which somehow both robs them of their girlhood and their humanness.

Proper terminology is important. And using the incorrect terms obscures the fact that Epstein, a billionaire adult, is accused of assaulting children and trafficking them for nonconsensual sexual acts. There are children, and there are women. There are girls, and there are adults. There is no in-between. Additionally, no single adult is capable of having “sex” with “minors.” There is molestation, there is outright sexual assault, and there is statutory rape. But not sex. Sex implies consent, an equal footing of power, and, of course, the legality of age. Epstein preyed on children, plain and simple.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: children; epstein; jeffreyepstein
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1 posted on 07/28/2019 1:52:37 PM PDT by MarvinStinson
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To: SunkenCiv; Morgana; Jane Long; Olog-hai; Grampa Dave; sport; Lurker

No single adult is capable of having “sex” with “minors.”

There is molestation, there is outright sexual assault, and there is statutory rape. But not sex.

Sex implies consent, an equal footing of power, and, of course, the legality of age.

Epstein preyed on children, plain and simple.


2 posted on 07/28/2019 1:56:30 PM PDT by MarvinStinson
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To: MarvinStinson
In no world is a 14-year-old an underage woman. She is a child.

In no world?

What about the Muslim world?

Six year old girls being married?

3 posted on 07/28/2019 1:57:10 PM PDT by Mogger
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To: MarvinStinson
Stop Calling Epstein’s Victims Young Women. They’re Children...no distinction for the cons Epstein's going to be spending time with - no one the prison population hates more than a child molester - and that would be you, Epstein - watch your back......
4 posted on 07/28/2019 1:59:36 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: MarvinStinson
Jeffrey Epstein, a billionaire financier who has ties to Prince Andrew, President Trump, and former President Clinton was arrested for violating Title 18 of the United States Code, Section 1591.

Strange how they leave out the fact Trump tossed the scumbag out of his club years ago...

5 posted on 07/28/2019 1:59:52 PM PDT by Popman
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To: Mogger
Perhaps he is stating the legal definitions, but they only apply in parts of the United States.

You are correct, and in much of the existing world, 14-year-old women are regularly married off.

In some Mexican states, the age of conscent is 12.

6 posted on 07/28/2019 2:00:30 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Popman

They don’t talk about his CIA ties, blackmailing and illegal weapons and drug shipments, etc.


7 posted on 07/28/2019 2:01:41 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: MarvinStinson

Girls

The 14 year old a child

We live in a bizarre world semantics wise


8 posted on 07/28/2019 2:02:18 PM PDT by wardaddy (I applaud Jim Robinson for his comments on the Southern Monuments decision ...thank you)
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To: MarvinStinson

Which why they call them pedophiles!


9 posted on 07/28/2019 2:02:36 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Lose the demographic war! You lose your country! Illegals are winning that war across the world!)
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To: MarvinStinson

Calling them women fits two objectives of the liberal narrative: It takes some of the stench of child molestation off of Epstein, and it lets adult females get to horn in on the victimization.


10 posted on 07/28/2019 2:04:09 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Truth is hate speech to those who hate the truth.)
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To: MarvinStinson
Sex implies consent, an equal footing of power, and, of course, the legality of age.

Since when?

I realize that we don't always have clear terminology to distinguish wrong-and-legally-actionable behavior from right behavior and/or wrong-but-not-legally-actionable behavior, but inventing a new definition for "sex" doesn't help, especially when (as far as I know) we haven't even nailed down a clear behavior-based meaning for "sex."

11 posted on 07/28/2019 2:16:08 PM PDT by Tax-chick (It's the guitar solo! Everybody polka!!!)
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To: Popman
Staying at his resort is now defined as having "ties" to Trump.

Hey! I've got a few Donald Trump ties hanging in my closet; does that mean I have "ties" to Trump?

12 posted on 07/28/2019 2:28:30 PM PDT by stormhill
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To: Mogger
In no world is a 14-year-old an underage woman. She is a child.

In no world?

That world includes the U.S.

A sexually active 14 year old American female (forget semantics here) today is capable of making her way around males of any age.

Folks who think they are "child like" are mistaken, or worse, delusional. Should they be protected? Of course.

"In No World"? Very astute observation.

13 posted on 07/28/2019 2:29:02 PM PDT by Ace's Dad (Trump 2020!)
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To: MarvinStinson; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; ...
Thanks MarvinStinson.

14 posted on 07/28/2019 2:40:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: clintonh8r

Call in it molestation takes the sting out our rape.


15 posted on 07/28/2019 2:47:00 PM PDT by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan.)
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To: MarvinStinson

All one has to work in child services to find out there are many 14yoa girls.

Who actively have and go looking for sex.

It is mostly a fairly modern concept that they do not.


16 posted on 07/28/2019 2:52:19 PM PDT by riverrunner ( o the public,)
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To: MarvinStinson

All one has to work in child services to find out there are many 14yoa girls.

Who actively have and go looking for sex.

It is mostly a fairly modern concept that they do not.


17 posted on 07/28/2019 2:52:43 PM PDT by riverrunner ( o the public,)
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To: MarvinStinson

A THOUSANDS AMENS. this is child abuse and child rape and child molestation.


18 posted on 07/28/2019 3:05:09 PM PDT by Persevero (Desmond is not -Amazing- Desmond is -Abused-)
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To: MarvinStinson

only men of mid east countrys are called students, though they may be 30 years old, but American girls at 12, 13, 14, 15, etc are young women. (barf)


19 posted on 07/28/2019 3:09:35 PM PDT by tillacum (I am a conservative deplorable and doggone proud of it. I back President Trump, I voted for him.)
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To: MarvinStinson

The press:

Roy Moore-17, 18, 19 year olds, children
Epstein-13, 14 year long olds, young women


20 posted on 07/28/2019 3:39:54 PM PDT by suthener
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