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1 posted on 07/18/2019 4:22:09 AM PDT by tlozo
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Pathetic, just pathetic to have abandoned “manual methods”. Imagine someone needing artillery support in a very bad way and their devices don’t work, or worse yet, have been hacked so fire is directed onto our own troops.

Maybe the navy best learn what a compass, sextant and navigation maps are good for too.


2 posted on 07/18/2019 4:28:30 AM PDT by redfreedom ( Setteled Science = Irrevocable Unmitigated Lie)
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Great idea,glad to see it back.


3 posted on 07/18/2019 4:31:25 AM PDT by Cannon6
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Aye, sir. The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain. [hands McCoy a fistful of computer chips] Here, Doctor, souvenirs from one surgeon to another. I took them out of her main transwarp computer drive.

Montgomery Scott Star Trek 3


5 posted on 07/18/2019 4:34:20 AM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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This reads as if the US Army had units in Ukraine fighting their dirty war for them.

... did we?


7 posted on 07/18/2019 4:36:19 AM PDT by thoughtomator (The Clinton Coup attempt was a worse attack on the USA than was 9/11)
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they might think about teaching Morris Code again too...
9 posted on 07/18/2019 4:40:09 AM PDT by Chode (Send bachelors, and come heavily armed!)
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One big benefit of being proficient in working without the computer, is being able to say “Hey, wait a minute” when the computer starts giving you bad answers.

There WILL come a day when we discover that foreign made components (or US made components designed by people not loyal to us) have a “remote trigger glitch”. As in the pilot episode of Battlestar Galactica.


11 posted on 07/18/2019 4:42:00 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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No school like the old school.


13 posted on 07/18/2019 4:49:17 AM PDT by ealgeone
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I just wonder without GPS how they will position the battery? Our exercises were kind of phony since the survey crew went out and found the position and gave us precise grid numbers, but I just don’t see it happening under fire.


14 posted on 07/18/2019 4:50:20 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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The navy should take heed and remove the plugs from the 16” guns on those old battleships and get them seaworthy again. You never know when dumb technology is going to be needed again.


16 posted on 07/18/2019 4:51:40 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves.)
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What I see is a military leadership; officer and enlisted, smart enough to think about the future and adjust based on current conditions.

It sometimes makes me shake my head when some “I-know-everything” FReepers chime in about how stupid the military is or this or that decision or weapon is so wrong or outdated.

The military is like Allstate—”You’re in good hands.”

Sure, FUBAR’s happen, but generally we should be proud of the American fighting force. They’re good at what they do.


22 posted on 07/18/2019 5:06:07 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (The media is after us. Trump's just in the way.)
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Charts and Darts, forever!

I remember when automation hit the FA and the GIGO Factor jumped! Seeing 1600 mil firing errors, “Because that is what came out of the computer, Sir!”.

If you are going to be a Field Artilleryman, you have to know ballistics. As a Fire Direction Officer, you have to have the ballistics table in your head so that when you hear a range, quadrant and charge, you have to know it is in the safe zone. Many times, I caught errors, just by listening.

Computers are great, but just because they go down, you are still obligated to do your job. Grunt and Treadheads are counting on you!

Field Artillery, Often mistaken for the Wraith of God!

28 posted on 07/18/2019 5:38:50 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (We live on a tax farm as free-range humans!)
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Good first step. Now get the girls out of FA that cannot lift an artillery round to load a howitzer and other vital aspects of being in the King of Battle, Artillery. (Retired Army Artillery Officer)


31 posted on 07/18/2019 5:44:39 AM PDT by Midwesterner53
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Just fire the weapon, soldier!


38 posted on 07/18/2019 5:57:24 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer.)
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Reminds me of the Naval Academy bringing back teaching navigation using a sextant and chronometer.


40 posted on 07/18/2019 6:04:22 AM PDT by C19fan
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This brings to mind how in Vietnam some of our planes only had missiles but not guns, and if they ran out of missiles, they couldn’t dogfight?


42 posted on 07/18/2019 6:06:33 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendrix))
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Map spot sun shot. Simple.


46 posted on 07/18/2019 6:16:27 AM PDT by garryowenartillery ( 1/21FA, 1st Cav Div (Airmobile) RVN... FT. Greely, Alaska (ATC) Gerstle River Project)
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After the Chinese shoot down the GPS satellites, USN will be sorry Annapolis dropped celestial navigation by hand, as well.


51 posted on 07/18/2019 6:28:32 AM PDT by Jim Noble (1)
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This article warms the cockles of my old Redleg heart. Comes now the misty memories of the GFT and TFT issued to us at FA Officer Basic Course, the TFT full of columns of mysterious figures and GFT appearing to be the easier solution, only to face learning how to apply MET data to the GFT for a better firing solution. Then, off to missile school to compound the learning with trig and log tables to get the manual solution within the performance standard time.

I’d be surprised if anybody below the rank of E-8 has actual experience in setting up firing stakes, the infinity collimator, or using the sun filters on the M2 aiming circle to lay the battery using the sun as the EOL.


55 posted on 07/18/2019 6:30:25 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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Back to “charts and darts.” Very good. I lamented when they let computers take over the calculation of firing data WITHOUT maintaining a manual back up. I took basic FDC (13E) training in 1973 and went through the early years of TacFire and the introduction of the Battery Computer System of the mid-80s, when the “word” was that manual fire direction was a relic of the past.

During my recent move, I found my set of “sticks,” aka Graphic Firing Tables, that I had ordered in the mid-70’s from Ft. Sill, for M-109A1 155mm guns. I didn’t find the manual firing tables though.


67 posted on 07/18/2019 7:12:31 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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Finally they have been forced to begin to see the light.

Systems always fail. Better be prepared.


68 posted on 07/18/2019 7:14:50 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (We are governed by the consent of the governed and we are fools for allowing it.)
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