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U.S. Field artillery back to learning manual methods after Russian intervention in Ukraine
Defence Blog ^ | Jul 18, 2019 | Army, News

Posted on 07/18/2019 4:22:09 AM PDT by tlozo

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To: Sgt_Schultze

Along with the Missouri (et al )you had better fit them, bristling with phalanx systems and other protection devices Big ships like these make excellent targets for hi tech missiles at 2-3x Mach 1.


21 posted on 07/18/2019 5:01:17 AM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: tlozo

What I see is a military leadership; officer and enlisted, smart enough to think about the future and adjust based on current conditions.

It sometimes makes me shake my head when some “I-know-everything” FReepers chime in about how stupid the military is or this or that decision or weapon is so wrong or outdated.

The military is like Allstate—”You’re in good hands.”

Sure, FUBAR’s happen, but generally we should be proud of the American fighting force. They’re good at what they do.


22 posted on 07/18/2019 5:06:07 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (The media is after us. Trump's just in the way.)
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To: tired&retired
"Kind of like abandoning simple math as the calculator does it easier."

Yeah... That's what I was thinking... Better not give them a pencil..! They would think it was some kind of new stabbing weapon... :)

23 posted on 07/18/2019 5:09:29 AM PDT by unread (Joe McCarthy was right.......)
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To: Vaquero

Not saying they should be steaming around on their own, but, yes, a shiny new R2 unit would be a sensible upgrade.


24 posted on 07/18/2019 5:13:41 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves.)
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To: tired&retired

In a calc course, we had to show how we arrived at the functions we plotted on graph paper. I had a TI-86 graphics calculator that I used to check my answers with. Technology is great to have around, but understanding the fundamentals is more useful.


25 posted on 07/18/2019 5:14:57 AM PDT by Silentgypsy (Call an addiction hotline and say you're hooked on phonics.)
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To: junta
Our exercises were kind of phony since the survey crew went out and found the position and gave us precise grid numbers, but I just don’t see it happening under fire.

Sure it does. It's why being on the survey team can be a rather dangerous job, thought they're generally going to be surveying battery positions that are behind/been cleared by the maneuver elements.

26 posted on 07/18/2019 5:16:55 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: mosaicwolf

“Now maybe Walmart and other retailers need to leach cashiers how to count change the old fashioned way. “

Recently, a seventy-something cashier counted my change for me. I said, “Oh, my gosh! A cashier who can count change!” I thought he’d bust a gut laughing.


27 posted on 07/18/2019 5:21:30 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: tlozo
Charts and Darts, forever!

I remember when automation hit the FA and the GIGO Factor jumped! Seeing 1600 mil firing errors, “Because that is what came out of the computer, Sir!”.

If you are going to be a Field Artilleryman, you have to know ballistics. As a Fire Direction Officer, you have to have the ballistics table in your head so that when you hear a range, quadrant and charge, you have to know it is in the safe zone. Many times, I caught errors, just by listening.

Computers are great, but just because they go down, you are still obligated to do your job. Grunt and Treadheads are counting on you!

Field Artillery, Often mistaken for the Wraith of God!

28 posted on 07/18/2019 5:38:50 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (We live on a tax farm as free-range humans!)
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To: bert
"actually, Walmart is going to self check out in a big way. Most customers do not fool around with counting money and the nuisance of change"

I think you missed the point. The reason military organizations are planning for operations the old fashioned way is because of the potential or likely disruption of cyber networks. (Read: GPS)

If cyber warfare expands to the economic instrument of national power (that is very likely) not only will the cashiers be counting change but the old fashioned cash register will be back in style. Remember writing hand receipts from a pad?

I would not get comfortable using the credit card network. Plan on cash. At least for a while anyway.

I know....I am a doomsday person. Personally, I always plan for the worst and hope for the best.

29 posted on 07/18/2019 5:42:18 AM PDT by mosaicwolf
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Of course when I was a mediocre 0844 I never bothered to ask why we always had to search for the survey stake out there in the desert.


30 posted on 07/18/2019 5:44:02 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: tlozo

Good first step. Now get the girls out of FA that cannot lift an artillery round to load a howitzer and other vital aspects of being in the King of Battle, Artillery. (Retired Army Artillery Officer)


31 posted on 07/18/2019 5:44:39 AM PDT by Midwesterner53
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To: thoughtomator

No but we pay very close attention to what is happening there with Russian weapons and tactics. The Ukrainians are only too happy to share with us.


32 posted on 07/18/2019 5:45:53 AM PDT by Midwesterner53
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To: Stingray51

Great question. We had ours in map cases we could draw on with grease pencils. No computers, no GPS, just old fashion movement from point A to B.


33 posted on 07/18/2019 5:48:14 AM PDT by Midwesterner53
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To: Clutch Martin
Morse code (CW) is gone by the wayside

In the early 80's I was teaching 98C at Ft. Devens. The overview lesson plan had us teaching that CW was no longer used.

At the same time there were 05H (058 for you old people, 98H for the post VN folks.) classes being taught across the quad.

34 posted on 07/18/2019 5:49:51 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Make American Intelligence Great Again. Bring back ASA.)
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To: Midwesterner53

Not sure if it is true but I recall hearing several years ago that maps are no longer distributed to the troops.


35 posted on 07/18/2019 5:50:02 AM PDT by Stingray51
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To: redfreedom

10 years ago who was Commander in Chief?


36 posted on 07/18/2019 5:52:54 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: mosaicwolf

“Plan on cash. At least for a while anyway.”

I do and keep a good supply of currency and coins here, “just in case”. I don’t want to have to barter ammo. Of course if the whole thing goes down, the currency can be used for one other function so keep a lot of ones!

My favorite bill by the way is the $2 note. Whenever we get a youngster about, I take the time to explain what the portrait on the backside of the bill is about as I present them with it.


37 posted on 07/18/2019 5:53:24 AM PDT by Mouton (The media is the enemy of the people.)
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To: tlozo
Just fire the weapon, soldier!


38 posted on 07/18/2019 5:57:24 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer.)
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To: junta
Heh. I was an 0802, but how those survey marks ended up exactly where we needed them did seem a bit like black magic sometimes. But damn if they didn't have them out there where we needed them in the Gulf.

Only Marine my unit lost was one we'd had to detach to the battalion survey team.

39 posted on 07/18/2019 6:00:23 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: tlozo

Reminds me of the Naval Academy bringing back teaching navigation using a sextant and chronometer.


40 posted on 07/18/2019 6:04:22 AM PDT by C19fan
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