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1 posted on 07/13/2019 4:13:17 PM PDT by Trump20162020
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Since when is their ‘intentions’ important?? Would the law be Ok of their thoughts were pure???


2 posted on 07/13/2019 4:27:21 PM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing obamacare is worse than obamacare itself.)
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The pathetic John Roberts is transparent as hell despite his attempts to disguise his decisions which are CLEARLY designed to sabotage Trump’s actions.


3 posted on 07/13/2019 4:28:19 PM PDT by House Atreides (Boycott the NFL 100% — PERMANENTLY)
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Interesting take on these events. But I have a problem with the fact that the judiciary will not be impartial and use this new oversight of policy and regulations to steer society to their liberal and socialist goals. Same sex marriage as an example.


4 posted on 07/13/2019 4:29:30 PM PDT by JoSixChip (Trump stands alone.)
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GWB’s 2005 gift just keeps on giving!


6 posted on 07/13/2019 4:33:29 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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Does the Federal Gov. appropriate more money to a State if the population is larger? Are Federal Grants involved? It seems Dems. are fighting for more population in cities.


8 posted on 07/13/2019 4:36:02 PM PDT by FreedBird
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I’ve said from the start they should have just reprinted the 2000 census - exact same questions - and dare anyone to make a case that it wasn’t racist/political/whatever then, but it is now.


9 posted on 07/13/2019 4:41:58 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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roberts is or at least was a federalist society member. it is imho difficult to correlate that membership with his current direction.


10 posted on 07/13/2019 4:49:15 PM PDT by SteveH (intentionally blank)
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Little Johnny Roberts proves once again that a SCOTUS judge can be bought - and at a bargain rate. Move over Roger Taney you’ve been supplanted as worst decision maker.


14 posted on 07/13/2019 5:07:52 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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“Trump administration a political defeat on the census, the four liberals justices unwittingly agreed to lay the groundwork for a new world in which agencies’ explanations receive strict judicial oversight”

Sure a political loss. But if this could expose the administrative state to losses in courts, individuals and states will benefit. It doesn’t really matter who is the chief executive in most instances when individual must contend with ruthless out of control police state agencies and bureaucracies. IRS, EPA, FBI, CMS, BLM, DEA, ATF abuse citizen rights every day. The regulations are enormous and no executive can know the details that destroy lives everyday.

Atlantic seemed to be unhappy that it was the liberals have given everyday conservatives a chance to attack corrupt federal agencies. But, I would imagine that the liberals on the court wanted the political win. If we can weaken the federal bureaucracies and the police state, let them have it.


15 posted on 07/13/2019 5:09:35 PM PDT by grumpygresh
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Thank God for Clarence Thomas.

I watched his hearing.

The libs went ballistic about a supposed joked about a pubic hair on a can of pop.

Before and ever since then they have been playing the sexual harassment card, while ignoring the fact that Billy-Bob, the Kennedy’s rape and murder of women.


16 posted on 07/13/2019 5:13:27 PM PDT by lizma2
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Maybe it is time to dig into Roberts problem. Evidence now points that he is a closet communists Democrat.


21 posted on 07/13/2019 5:28:13 PM PDT by Logical me
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22 posted on 07/13/2019 5:33:05 PM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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Aren’t Roberts’ kids old enough now to withstand any negative action that might, MIGHT, affect them.

For Heaven’s sake John, try to sound like an erudite, reasonable, common sense Justice and not some wild=eyed liberal judge like “penumbras” and other nonsense words to hide their real purpose.

Try to think of your legacy.


23 posted on 07/13/2019 5:33:16 PM PDT by Maris Crane
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Roberts was/is a liberal mole.......


24 posted on 07/13/2019 5:37:45 PM PDT by stockpirate (TYRANNY IS THY NAME REBELLION IS OUR ANSWER. HANG THEM ALL!)
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This issue has been presented simplistically, and understood in that way by most.

The Bureaucratic State is in harness and directed by the Democrat/Left-Liberal axis. Starting at least in 1992 with the Clintons, the Lawfare agenda and personnel to match have been built into the operations of cabinet departments. How administrative law works has been crafted by their colleagues in Congress. The purpose is to hamstring any deviations from the “Progressive” path during the inevitable swings of presidencies.

Republican administrations have not had the sense to purge the bureaucracies of the leftist command and control operatives. They don’t seem to understand the game, and allow “career” civil servants se use the arcane processes they have helped construct to block changes. Trump, and many of his appointees, have not understood the way the minefields have been constructed.

The “citizenship” question has been asked on numerous censuses in the past. Obama removed the citizenship question. Did the Republicans have a shipload of lawyers and fake advocacy groups litigating the change? No. Because the Commerce Dept lawyers and careerists wanted the change, and knew how to follow the rules they themselves had established. Trump Commerce Secretary either relied on embedded “career” leftists or his own clueless appointees to handle the re-introduction of the census question. The process is rigged with requirements for legalistic justifications, publications of intent, rounds of public comment, etc., precisely so that there is a high chance of “errors” that the left can litigate if need be, and exploit to thwart any policy they disfavor.

This is an oversimplification, but Roberts seems to be saying in his ruling, “Hey dumbass, articulate sensible reasons for including the citizen question and I would find the question legal. But you have to actually comply with the web of established procedures. Get to it.” The government is designed NOT to work unless the leftist lawyers and careerists want it to. They have an effective veto over executive action.

The government must be disassembled and put back together properly. That takes enormous expertise and effort. Mr. Trump does not have the temperament for this sort of grind, but without a frame off restoration of administrative law, he will be thwarted at every turn. The authors of the article are dead wrong that the ruling will stymie “liberal” administrative moves in the future. The system is rigged so that change only moves in one direction.


25 posted on 07/13/2019 5:40:56 PM PDT by Chewbarkah
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When I was young I remember the outcry to”impeach Earl Warren”. Maybe we should start screaming to impeach John Roberts.


31 posted on 07/13/2019 6:04:06 PM PDT by Hattie
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Roberts is a putz.


33 posted on 07/13/2019 6:15:12 PM PDT by beethovenfan (Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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Sigh. Roberts didn’t “thwart Trump.” Roberts gave the Trump Administration a do-over to correctly and appropriately set in place the language for the citizenship question, something they should have done from the get-go.

There is NO QUESTION from any legal scholar that in terms of the Constitution, the Court ruled that the citizenship question was legal. Even Jeffrey Toobin admitted that. What they argued was that the Commerce Department procedurally used the wrong reasoning-—and that this reasoning could come back to taint all sorts of other cases if allowed to stand.

If Roberts wanted this dead he wouldn’t have remanded it. He would have sided with the lefties. But he didn’t.


34 posted on 07/13/2019 6:21:35 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendrix))
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Was the 2010 Soetoro removal of the citizenship question on the census contrived, or just a cog in the many gears of Cloward-Piven?


39 posted on 07/13/2019 7:25:14 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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bump


43 posted on 07/14/2019 7:11:24 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it. --Douglas MacArthur)
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