'The Situation Is Very Vulnerable': Iran-Backed Militias Ethnically Cleansing Northen Iraq

The Telegraph ^ | 7/12/2019 | Tim Stanley

[Zhang Fei]

[Without Iran’s support, Iraqi Kurds would have already been pulverised by Saddam]

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Iraqi Kurds were pulverized by Saddam. Iran supported Iraqi Kurds for the same reason Saddam supported Iranian Kurds, but it wasn’t that big a deal in monetary terms and nothing on the massive scale of American aid to Iraqi Kurds. In the end, it was Uncle Sam who provided the protective umbrella that ended Saddam’s gas attacks.

[If You Want It Fixed - Fix It]

Make more effort to get along....stretch your neck.

Meanwhile...” Cook! Cook! Where’s my hoffenpepper!”

[granada]

Lol. Do you believe America/Britain could split apart Yugoslavia, Without cooperation from France, Germany, Spain.....?

[Zhang Fei]

[It’s nuts to protect the borders of foreign countries when are own borders are not protected.]

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Our borders are protected. The problem is catch and release. If we imprisoned border crossers for 10 years in the Aleutians after arrival, it’s a good bet they’d stop coming. Our problem is detention policy, not the border. We are letting people we catch into the interior because of court orders when we should be imposing punishments. They don’t have to be severe like the flogging imposed by Singapore. But 10 years on one of the uninhabited islets of Alaska? We’d see a dramatic reduction in illegal border crossing.

[PGR88]

Nothing else could explain their pathological fixation on eradicating the only governments in the Middle East that offered some semblance of protection for Christians.

Saddam was a bad guy, without a doubt. But on the other hand, I am completely incredulous now about the justification for that war. We would hope our leaders would have some wisdom, perspective, and ability to make a basic estimation of consequences of their actions. Bush had none of those - and Obama was even worse. Since there's an obvious continuum of action, irrespective of disastrous consequences - one has to ask then, who/what really created these policies, what are the real, hidden goals?

[PGR88]

Iran is actively seeking to make the pilgrimage to Karbala (Iraq) more important than, entirely replacing, the pilgrimage the pilgrimage to Mecca.

good for them. Islam needs to be split even further. It needs other voices. A unified Islamic Caliphate under the rule of Saudi Princes is an evil the world can't bear.

[wastedyears]

I don’t really care.

[wastedyears]

Someone out there sees a really tasty war that THEY don't want to fight.

Yeah, and they'll send Americans to go die to satisfy their bloodlust.

[granada]

Lol. Means America’s big money failed to make Iraqi Kurds alienate themselves from Iran.

[Zhang Fei]

[I have reached the unfortunate conclusion that the Bush family is a bunch of closet Muslims. Nothing else could explain their pathological fixation on eradicating the only governments in the Middle East that offered some semblance of protection for Christians.]

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Middle Eastern Christians are very pro-Russian and anti-American. Sirhan Sirhan, Michel Aflaq, George Habash and Tariq Aziz. Ultimately, they’re a sackless bunch many of whose brethren converted to Islam over a thousand years, transforming those lands from overwhelmingly Christian to overwhelmingly Muslim. They love their Muslim masters and certainly don’t put up much of a fight. I’d respect them more if they actually formed militias instead of spending all their time whining and running away like little girls.

[Zhang Fei]

[Saddam was a bad guy, without a doubt. But on the other hand, I am completely incredulous now about the justification for that war. We would hope our leaders would have some wisdom, perspective, and ability to make a basic estimation of consequences of their actions. ]

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The principal consequence is that we have one less nuclear program to worry about in the region. We also have one less dictator with dreams of unifying the region under his rule that he operationalized by invading two countries in the course of a decade. The fate of anti-American minorities like Iraq’s Christians is unfortunate, but not really our problem.

[granada]

The only difference between neocon and lib/prog is: Neocons are more insane.

[Zhang Fei]

[Lol. Means America’s big money failed to make Iraqi Kurds alienate themselves from Iran.]

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Everyone tries to freeload off everyone else. That’s the reality of both interpersonal and international relations. The Kurdish problem is Turks to the north, Arabs to the east and south and Persians to the east. The fickleness of the American lifeline means they can’t burn any bridges either with the Arabs, Persians or Turks, all of which are their enemies that don’t want a Kurdish state to emerge. The only way we get unconditional Kurdish allegiance is if we annex Iraqi Kurdistan and make it a US territory, the way the Russians annexed Abkhazia and the Crimea. Why would we want to add over 5m Muslims to our population? Maybe if they all converted to Christianity.

[Zhang Fei]

[The Battle of Karbala in 680 AD is why there is a Shia/Sunni split.
They told you it was about the inclusion/exclusion of some texts. And you probably believed them, the Muslims. Who died at the Battle of Karbala? Research that and you’ll understand why there is a Shia/Sunni split and why it will always exist.]

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The split occurred ostensibly over who would rule the ummah - blood relatives of Muhammad, or not. Weirdly enough, while blood relatives of Muhammad exist today, not one has ruled Iran for a while now. In this respect, Hashemite-ruled Jordan and Morocco, despite being Sunni, are more Shiite than Iran.

[granada]

“The only way we get unconditional Kurdish allegiance is if we annex Iraqi Kurdistan and make it a US territory, ”

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Lol.funny spin. Are you mad? It’s the only way to make Kurds turn against America.

[Zhang Fei]

[Lol.funny spin. Are you mad? It’s the only way to make Kurds turn against America.]

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Completely wrong, and said with typical Russian obtuseness. The Kurdish populations of the neighboring countries would empty out in anticipation of a massive economic boom. But many of them would probably just move to the continental US. We’d be left with an arid wasteland without access to the sea and millions of additional Muslims. Which is why we’d never do it.

[granada]

Blimey, you are a weird blowhard, an AOC in FR.
But you have a chance to try it in Puerto Rico.

[Zhang Fei]

[Blimey, you are a weird blowhard, an AOC in FR.
But you have a chance to try it in Puerto Rico.]

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Whereas you’re a run-of-the-mill Russian blowhard I’ve encountered any number of times - Stalin and Dimitri Donskoi rolled into one.

[Eleutheria5]

What are the Kurds doing over there?

[GOPJ]

People are coming into our country and we can’t stop them - that’s an invasion. Maybe some Military lawyers can get involved and assist with stopping the illegals.

Our Congress sure as hell isn’t doing crap to secure our borders, our military’s not, and our President can’t do it alone. So, no we’re NOT going to protect other countries until our leaders can protect OUR country.