Turns Out, Trump Didn’t Give Up On Counting Both Legal And Illegal US Residents

Hotair ^ | 07/12/2019 | Andrew Malcolm

[SeekAndFind]

You’ve probably heard a lot overnight about President Trump backing down on trying to get a citizenship question on the census questionnaire next year.

Perhaps you too were surprised that this president who takes on even meaningless slights or disagreements on Twitter would give up so easily. He didn’t.

The rest of the day’s story is somewhat different: Trump says he’s devised another path to the same information, which isn’t certain to be tied up for months with obstructionist lawsuits. And Attorney General William Barr is vocally backing him up. Makes it less of a backdown in his eyes.

“Today,” Trump declared at a White House event with Barr, “I’m here to say we are not backing down on our effort to determine the citizenship status of the United States population.”

Trump and his Commerce Department have been in a long legal and political fight to put the citizenship question back on the Census questionnaire that was dropped after 2010. The census results are crucial to apportioning members in the House e very 10 years and billions of dollars in federal monies.

Democrats oppose the question in part because Trump wants it but also they say it will discourage minority participation. Democrats wouldn’t mid beefed up census n umbers in urban areas.

Trump:

As shocking as it may be, far-left Democrats in our country are determined to conceal the number of illegal aliens in our midst. They probably know the number is far greater, much higher than anyone would have believed before.

Trump noted the Supreme Court recently affirmed the administration’s right to ask the question, but sought further explanations, which would have ignited further lawsuits.

The president added:

Knowing this information is vital to formulating sound public policy, whether the issue is healthcare, education, civil rights, or immigration. We must have a reliable count of how many citizens, non-citizens, and illegal aliens are in our country.

Recent polls indicate a substantial majority of Americans agree with Trump — 60 percent in a Hill-HarrisX survey said the Census Bureau should ask the citizenship question even if it results in fewer responses. Twenty-one percent said the question should not be included and 19 percent were unsure.

So, the president issued one of his favored Executive Orders to eliminate long-standing obstacles to federal agencies sharing data.

I’m hereby ordering every department and agency in the federal government to provide the Department of Commerce with all requested records regarding the number of citizens and non-citizens in our country. They must furnish all legally accessible records in their possession immediately.

We will utilize these vast federal databases to gain a full, complete, and accurate count of the non-citizen population, including databases maintained by the Department of Homeland Security and the Social Security Administration.

Trump noted that Census had said given the vast amount of population data available it could accurately estimate the U.S. citizenship about 90 percent.

Barr concurred:

Today’s executive order…will ensure that we finally have an accurate understanding of how many citizens and non-citizens live in our country.

Put that in 280 characters and tweet it.

[Brian Griffin]

Since Elizabeth Warren might become President and impose direct wealth taxation, the US government also needs to know the total number of inhabitants of each state.

[Brian Griffin]

“Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States...

“Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed.”

In theory, Amendment XIV might require perfect accuracy, which is impractical.

[Brian Griffin]

“apportion electoral votes as the census does?”

Amendment XIV seems to require an actual counting for apportionment.

The federal government probably could figure out from government records and cell phone company data, to about .01% accuracy, how many citizens are in any given state at 3am in the morning.

[NEMDF]

I think POTUS has been masterful at having this theme change at least once a day, this whole week. The MSM is tired of going after the issue, always being “out-scooped” by someone else. If he changes his tune on this every few hours, no one will know how it ends up. Very shrewd, and rather entertaining, IMHO.

[Brian Griffin]

The federal government could figure out how many illegals over age 5 are in this country by also using cell phone company and school records.

Almost all working age ilicitos probably have a cell phone on them.

[100American]

Do your research, the answer should take you about 5 minutes

Hint: Census and use for apportioning congressional seats

[Brian Griffin]

The Constitution requires the census/enumeration be done according to laws set by Congress.

Do these laws allow for Trump’s methods? I do not know.

[Brian Griffin]

The best way is to have people attach proof of citizenship to their forms.

[Balding_Eagle]

I am so grateful that you didn’t post the answer question. Because those of us who are busy will have time to look it up next week and you would have denied us that delayed pleasure

[George Rand]

Makes too much sense I can’t see it happening :)

[Lurkinanloomin]

In Virginia, at least 90% of the people not speaking English are illegal aliens.

[mass55th]

Don’t feel bad...I didn’t either.

[mass55th]

And the good part is that there shouldn’t be any lawsuits challenging this order, because the President has every right to order the Federal departments he is head of, to provide him with information upon request. And the information he is requesting isn’t of an illegal nature.

[Lurking Libertarian]

Trump did say in the press conference that the official 2020 census would include the data gathered as a result of this Executive Order combined with the results of the questionnaire in order to affect representation in congress as well as districting. At least it sounds like it?

If so, it will result in more illegals being counted for apportionment.

[Lurking Libertarian]

The data can be used so only citizens will receive census forms.

Which would be illegal.

[Lurking Libertarian]

Under the Apportionment of Representatives and taxes section, it states that “Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.

No longer in force; amended by section 2 of the 14th Amendment, which says apportionment is based on "the whole number of persons."

[gr8eman]

How so?

[Trump Girl Kit Cat]

One thing we will find out IS how many illegals are in low income housing, also collecting food stamps, and welfare, how much WE are spending on their medical care ALL departments in government will be reporting to commerce, the VERY STUPID Dems are going to be wishing they just agreed to the question on the census!! Once Trump has ALL of this information KATY BAR THE DOOR, he will take to twitter AND the American taxpayer WILL BE PISSED to find out just how much they are spending on these invaders, ALSO this is going to be a much more accurate number of HOW MANY illegals are actually here!!! Many of them would lie on the form or just skip the question this way we have an accurate count!!! When the American citizens find out how many millions are REALLY HERE it won’t be pretty for the Dems!!!

[Lurking Libertarian]

How so?

Because by statute, and under the Constitution (14th Amendment, section 2), the Census must count all "persons" in the United States, not just citizens.

[Nicojones]

There was an Amendment, not a replacement. However, You left out the remainder of the 14th Amendment, Section 2, , which States “...the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.”

It further supports Trump’s plan and the need for the citizenship information as i laid out in my prior post.