Posted on 07/11/2019 3:29:40 PM PDT by bitt
President Donald Trump announced Thursday that he will take executive action to direct the Department of Commerce to obtain an estimate of U.S. citizens from records provided by federal government agencies.
“Today, I am here to say we are not backing down on our effort to determine the citizenship status of the United States population,” the president stated in the Rose Garden of the White House with Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross and Attorney General William Barr by his side.
“We will leave no stone unturned,” the president added.
President Trump had previously said an executive action was one of multiple options he was considering in regards to adding the question after the Supreme Court ruled against it on procedural grounds.
“We’re thinking about doing that. It’s one of the ways. We have four or five ways we can do it. We’re doing well on the Census,” the president old reports last week when asked about the question.
“I have a lot of respect for Justice Roberts, but he didn’t like it,” he added. But he did say come back. Essentially he said, ‘come back.’ That’s what he was saying. So we’ll see what happens. We can also add an addendum on so we can start the printing now and maybe do an addendum after we get a positive decision.”
The high court said the administration did not provide adequate grounds for adding the question and called the government’s argument “contrived.” The Census Bureau has since begun printing the questionnaires without the inquiry about U.S. citizenship.
Two federal judges have also since blocked administration efforts to change Justice Department attorneys who had been fighting in court for the question’s inclusion.
The Justice Department initially said the fight to add the question was over, before President Trump intervened and said he
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That’s no way to talk on family forum.
Now be a good girl and apologize to your fellow FReepers.
This is what I know as fact. Donald Trump has built some of the most extraordinary structures on the planet. He’s found ways to accomplish things no other man could do. But somehow, on his watch, I’m watching American culture disappear faster than I ever would have imagined.
I’m sure many here will want to rip me a new one after reading that. One thing I would ask you to include in your post. Can anyone post any information regarding the actual effect that Mexico supposedly getting involved in illegal crossings into the United States has helped the numbers coming into the country? I don’t understand why, if what Trump threatened them with a few weeks ago has played out, we don’t hear about how illegal crossings have all but stopped.
Thank you. Very happy to eat crow concerning that subject. I wish Trump would scream that at every press conference he has.
There really is no way to stop Roberts from here on out.
Levin was opining tonight that Kavanaugh is going to disappoint as much as Roberts in the long run. It seems “Trump judges” will turn out about as loyal as “Trump’s Generals.”
He didn’t cave. He is not a dictator. The asshat judges and Dems are doing their best to prevent him from doing his Constitutional job.
There is no reason why the correct citizen numbers can’t be used even if not from census.
Seems as though a lot of freepers want to bitch about Trump 24/7.
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And do what with it?
We're already trying to get rid of as many wetbacks we can... I don't believe any such information can affect congressional representative numbers, and CA is going to gain a jillion reps, mostly Democrat.
Using it as an education tool is redundant - those of us who care are already on his side, those who want open borders will rejoice if the result (compared to the "official" census) shows a lower number of actual citizens.
Sratching my head on this move...
You’re welcome...
“I wonder if this “estimate” of citizens and non-citizens gleaned from the databases of all Federal departments will include names, birthdates, etc., and will the government be able to cross-check those names with voter registrations, which are compiled by the States?”
That is where this needs to go or it is just a statistics gathering exercise although I am not knocking getting better stats. The problem with the latter part of your statement involves federal / state jurisdictions but perhaps state RNC can help if they will. The State of California is not going to hand over voter lists to Trump. Somehow the feds need a list of all illegal aliens in this country ... if they don’t already have such a list.
Off the top of my head: Cross-referenced identification of anyone using a stolen or misappropriated SSN.
I heard the press conference driving home. I was thinking the democrats would be crapping all over themselves over this. Instead of a little check box on a piece of paper, Trump was going to do some data mining and find out the real truth. The Dems will wish they allowed that checkbox, anyone can lie on a paper form but the big data will root them out. Trump is going to find the illegals. He then said states could draw new lines based on this new information. Then, I come here and I read that, “my parents will never vote for Trump again; I voted, gave money to his campaign and I will never vote again; Trump sold out, blah blah blah. Where do all these spineless brain dead people come from? Was there a large die off at FR, replaced by jebbie boys?
Not bitching, but doesn’t the Constitution say the Census numbers have to be used?
If that’s the case, how is this not a loss?
I am afraid that this does little more than save face. It will have very little real effect.
...watching American culture disappear faster than I ever would have imagined.
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It may depend on where you live and what media you consume.
Where I live, we still have America (rural SW WI). When I tune into MSM/social media, which magnifies the prog voices, I do get that sick, sinking feeling. But we, as a country, are still here, although likely not in urban areas of blue states.
Today I read that 55% of Hispanics and 59% of black Americans want border control and removal of illegals, along with 72% of whites. So, perhaps this issue is really uniting real American citizens of all origins.
While I don’t mean to be a Pollyanna on the issue, I also cannot wallow in misery and depression 24/7.
The world is divided between global feudalism and individualistic national sovereignty. Even in Europe and the UK and Oz, I see people asserting their sovereignty. Even in NZ, they are resisting the gun grab.
Exposing the Globalist would-be slavers of all types has been a boon and POTUS, along with his international allies, deserves some credit.
I have read that illegal crossings are down. But we have horrid laws and worse judges and administrative elites, all working overtime to counter POTUS, the American people and all the governments trying to bring order and sanity.
Good words. The Trump nay-sayers are quick with knee jerk reactions for President Trump.
And with the better numbers the Department of Commerce gets, a case could be made that the real census is invalid. That should throw the congressional apportionment in disarray. The Dems will rue the day they stopped the citizenship question.
That is what they are! I'm sick of the PC terms foisted on us, calling things what they are not. To me, they are documented aholes. I don't break the laws, they do.
If (or when, more likely) it is proved by the numbers Trump’s EO comes up with are more accurate than the census, then this will force census to use the accurate numbers, or re-do census.
If census is proven wrong, why use it?
add to that maybe the illegals lay real low due to this come census time, depriving sanctuary states of numbers.
at a minimum, it’s a start in the right direction from where we are right now
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