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Boeing’s 737 Max Software Outsourced to $9-an-Hour Engineers
Yahoo Finance ^ | June 29, 2019 | Peter Robison

Posted on 07/01/2019 12:15:56 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege

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To: CondoleezzaProtege

It’s a good headline grabber but you have to dig deep into the story to find out the MCAS and other critical components were developed in house in the US.


41 posted on 07/01/2019 1:14:17 PM PDT by libh8er
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

This is the third time this story has been posted, and for the third time, outsourced software engineers did NOT write the MCAS software for the 737 MAX.


42 posted on 07/01/2019 1:15:06 PM PDT by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Re-hash from yesterday’s post.

There was not a coding mistake. The code executed the control logic designed by Boeing’s engineers to design specifications implemented by Boeing. The job of a coder is to, err code, not design flight control systems.

Has Boeing actually admitted to a mistake in its control system? It has admitted to not communicating its crazy @55 control scheme as it should have, it has admitted that maybe their should be more training, but it has darn sure not said the sytstem itself is at fault let alone the code.

Way baaaack we called it GIGO.


43 posted on 07/01/2019 1:15:07 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

DOJ is also investigating Boeing’s 787 Dreamliner. Substandard parts. The decision makers need to spend some time in the clink.

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/federal-prosecutors-issue-subpoena-for-boeing-787-dreamliner-records/


44 posted on 07/01/2019 1:37:10 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I began to learn to code in 1973. Still learning.

Coding is the easy part. What’s behind the code (design) is tough.


45 posted on 07/01/2019 1:43:39 PM PDT by upchuck (No muzzy is fit to hold public office - their cult (religion) is incompatible with the Constitution.)
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To: Karl Spooner

Bill Boeing has to be spinning in his grave. His B-17s were tough as nails and won the war without any software.


46 posted on 07/01/2019 1:49:34 PM PDT by beelzepug (OCD and proud of it!)
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To: beelzepug

Maybe Boeing should get into the window air conditioner business where junk products are the norm. At least they can’t kill anyone directly.


47 posted on 07/01/2019 1:55:22 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Did some coding, watched a lot of projects go by, thought all these people must be idiots. Then I got a degree in computer science. Now I know they were idiots.

If you structure your staff so the brighter ones are at the top, and the dumber ones are at the bottom, you can produce good code. The other way around, which is the universally accepted configuration, and you mostly do nothing, with an occasional disaster produced.

If you’ve ever watched “Office Space”, you’ve looked upon the face of the gorgon.


48 posted on 07/01/2019 2:07:18 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

This story is not accurate. Boeing does out source to contractors but they work in Boeing Facilities with Boeing and Quality control over looking their work.. Granted the Contractors make less money per hour but a lot of them go to work for Boeing after their contract is up.. During the NATO upgrade for AWACS we had contract employee’s working with the software up grades and Boeing had to sell this to NATO.. These are not rogue employees working in a far off land..


49 posted on 07/01/2019 2:08:57 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: vmpolesov

Keep reading down the thread and you will see that I’m right.


50 posted on 07/01/2019 2:20:24 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Obviously the FreeRepublic search function was outsourced and programmed by 3rd world folks.

Boeing’s 737 Max Software Outsourced to $9-an-Hour Engineers 07/01/2019 12:15:56 PM PDT · by CondoleezzaProtege · 49 replies Yahoo Finance ^ | June 29, 2019 | Peter Robison

Boeing’s 737 Max Software Outsourced to $9-an-Hour Engineers [link only] 06/30/2019 3:55:46 AM PDT · by grundle · 22 replies Bloomberg | June 28, 2019 | Peter Robison

Boeing's 737 Max Software Outsourced to $9-an-Hour Engineers [Bloomberg Link Only] 06/29/2019 3:48:32 AM PDT · by C19fan · 107 replies Bloomberg [Link in Body] ^ | Juen 28, 2019 | Peter Robison

51 posted on 07/01/2019 2:48:04 PM PDT by WhoisAlanGreenspan? (# of takeoffs = # of landings)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
relied on temporary workers making as little as $9 an hour to develop and test software, often from countries lacking a deep background in aerospace -- notably India.

"Dave" from customer support: Yes, sir, you're diving uncontrollably at 500 miles per hour. I can certainly help you with that. Can you try rebooting the system, I'll hold on.

-PJ

52 posted on 07/01/2019 3:08:03 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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To: Red Badger

And which executives and or managers get fired.


53 posted on 07/01/2019 3:22:57 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: DungeonMaster

Ah the old content gambit. Can they blame India and China?


54 posted on 07/01/2019 3:24:32 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Political Junkie Too

Lol.

Actually that has been successfully tried in a couple of Scifi movies. One of the Terminator movies, 2010 and HAL. Although HAL was reprogrammed.


55 posted on 07/01/2019 3:28:11 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

H1B means FAKE SKILLS

H1B Foreign STEM software engineers have FAKE degrees, FAKE skillsets, FAKE backgrounds, ...

... writing your software.

It is all fun and games until the software product has human safety consequences.

This is Congress lawyers learning to code. They aim for poor quality, cheap unpaid labor while skimming profits.

Disasterous.


56 posted on 07/01/2019 4:30:39 PM PDT by TheNext (Diversity: Darker Replaces Lighter)
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To: Innovative

I used to deliver near 100% error free code.

Quality Assurance and reviews are for pussies.

Management is quality averse because sending out bug fixes is so simple. Price is everything, even with multiple redos.

If software does not go out near 100% error free, you hired the wrong staff. Suck it up.


57 posted on 07/01/2019 4:44:38 PM PDT by TheNext (Diversity: Darker Replaces Lighter)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

True, but it’s the mentality that imported all the H1B’s in lieu of American workers that led to offshoring to the 9 buck/hour worker.

Incidentally, many H1B workers are not exactly highly educated specialized talent. An increasing number are of the lower echelons that cannot command much in the way of wages.

All in the interest of replacing the white male with, well, just about anybody else.


58 posted on 07/02/2019 1:02:11 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

A lot of what I read indicates that the problem is not software and that the aircraft is totally mis-designed. I have to believe that if the problem was software, it would be fixed by now. The 737 Max 8 looks like something designed by Frankenstein.


59 posted on 07/28/2019 10:35:47 PM PDT by ganeemead
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