"That's just a rumor..."
Posted on 06/30/2019 1:05:44 AM PDT by Zhang Fei
According to the Communist ideology, ‘We are the people’s representatives’, so the party cannot accept people rising up against it and forcing it to back down,” said Joseph Cheng, retired political science professor at the City University of Hong Kong.
The authorities also have a deep-rooted tendency to blame problems on foreign interference instead of their own governance weaknesses, political commentator and veteran journalist Ching Cheong said.
“China sees Hong Kong as influenced by years of colonial rule and having no sense of responsibility to introduce laws to protect the national security or to help the country nab fugitives,” said Ching. “And they believe that hostile forces are using ‘colour revolution’ to subvert China through Hong Kong.”
Chinese leaders have many times warned against “colour revolution” – movements that lead to regime changes through non-violent resistance – and Chinese President Xi Jinping in January warned officials to be vigilant against political risks that could threaten the Communist Party’s rule.
“The Communist Party fears mass protests,” said Willy Lam, a China expert at the Chinese University of Hong Kong, who said Xi was particularly frightened of unpredictable events that could disturb the stats quo.
After the current crisis, analysts believe the Hong Kong government will likely start a new round of retaliatory measures against its critics while the Chinese government will tighten its grip on the city.
“They will definitely seek revenge, otherwise they can’t justify themselves as an effectual regime,” said Lam.
Analysts expect that the Hong Kong government will widen the prosecution of people active in the protests. Last week, the police said 32 people had been arrested over the recent demonstrations and five have been charged with rioting, which carries a maximum sentence of ten years’ imprisonment.
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If I remember correctly, the last time they had protests, they simply ran over them with tanks.
I used to read Willy Lam in SCMP a long time ago. He was very informative.
After 97 they dumped him.
It appears that Chinese Communist Party leadership thought this wouldn't be a problem because the Chinese people would be more successful than those of the Soviet Union. Such success would be due to greater openness in the populous and because Chinese leadership planned to steal enough technology to be wealthy (at least as long as they could).
It has worked on the mainland so far, but one can understand why the people of Hong Kong would resist.
On top of that, how would the people of mainland China respond now that Xi decided to reverse the movement toward "freedom" (a hybrid of capitalism and communism) embraced by Deng and take the country back toward communism.
Gordon Chang and Michael Pillsbury among others have spoken about this.
What is your opinion of this subject?
If I remember correctly, the last time they had protests, they simply ran over them with tanks.
Efficient.
Interesting outcome of these protests. Christian hymn “Sing Hallelujah to the Lord” becomes the main protest song.
And evil.
[Chinese leadership under Deng took a big risk when it decided it could remain communist ]
China’s not a communist country any more, in the sense that the planned economy, where every item of economic output and consumption - down to the last toothbrush - was determined by a party cadre, has been completely dismantled. It’s also not a communist country in the sense of the party owning every item of property. However, China *is* the same absolute, semi-hereditary dictatorship it has been since the Party won total victory in 1949. The bottom line for Hong Kong is that a good chunk of the population doesn’t want to live under the rule of a murderous absolute monarch, whether that monarch is Xi Jinping or any of his predecessors.
My prediction is that we will see a big exodus of Hong Kong residents in the years ahead. The question is whether they’ll be welcomed abroad. Hong Kong is the same barren rock it was when the first Englishman set foot in that malarial swamp. It’s the people, under the enlightened rule of the English Crown, who made it what it is today. I hope we end up taking in a substantial chunk of this exodus.
* Until the Soviet Union dissolved, I was an amateur non-Russian observer of the Soviet Union, where my analysis ran mostly to Kremlinology, Soviet hardware, troop dispositions, as well as to thoughts about the prospects for success of Soviet funding for various communist revolutionary movements around the globe.
Our politicians especially the rats look to the Chinese system as a model for America. The elitists put the people under socialism/communism and control, the elitists run the country as a capitalist country full of communist slave labor enriching themselves and their select families
Two young people committed suicide in protest against the extradition bill. One of them uploaded a few photos of anti-extradition messages to Instagram before she jumped off a building yesterday. Today another woman attempted to do the same. She is in critical condition. Tragedies like these have been very rare before. I don’t remember anyone ended their lives when Hong Kong was taken over by the communists in 1997 or when the Umbrella movement failed in 2014. Things are getting worse.
I guess one would say that China has become a socialist country technically since industry, instead of being owned by the government, is now controlled by the government.
Free Hong Kong. Free Tibet. Free Taiwan. China has to give up land.
The part not discussed or recognized is that China has an economic crisis. It need continued 6% per year economic growth or it will have riots on its hands and civil war.
The secret not well discussed is that many of the factory owners in China responsible for the economic miracle are Hong Kong and Taiwan money. If the factory owners in Hong Kong get too fearful they will pull their factories out of China.
The follow the old recipe for an authoritarian government facing a big opposition: Infiltrate the enemy, let your agents take over the leadership of the masses by being the most extreme, eliminate the moderates and then blame everything on the extreme and crush them.
"That's just a rumor..."
Yes.
to wrap up, #carrielam and co took a hard line stance on #antiELAB protesters breaking into #legco at a 4am presser. No concession or resignation was announced. Lam also said the gov will pursue those who broke the law. I guess it is back to square one.
https://twitter.com/sumlokkei/status/1145791493031911424
follow development here https://twitter.com/hkdemonow
The night of July 21: What happened in Hong Kong? Thread. (Translated from graphics shared on Telegram)
https://twitter.com/wilfredchan/status/1153088649061232641
Background: Triads and the CCP
In the 1990s, however, triads were well established in both Hong Kong and Taiwan, and the CCP had gone from seeing them as a brutal opponent to a useful tool. The lead-up to Hong Kong’s handover in 1997 demonstrated the CCP’s reliance on what Christine Loh, a former Hong Kong legislative councilor, described as an “underground front” — a network of agents, many of them with ties to the Chinese intelligence apparatus — to shape the environment in its favor.
On Feb. 26, 2014, Kevin Lau, the former editor in chief of the Ming Pao daily and a vocal critic of Beijing, was stabbed in the back by two men who claimed they each had been paid $100,000 Hong Kong dollars to “teach Lau a lesson.”
Later that same year, dozens of masked men physically attacked Occupy Central members and pro-democracy activists and tore down their tents. According to Hong Kong police, as many as 200 gang members from two major triad groups had “infiltrated the protest camps, possibly in order to stir up violence that would discredit demonstrators.”
In Taiwan, organized crime played a similar role in some instances, where it, too, harassed and threatened anti-Beijing elements (chief among them the pro-independence camp). However, where triads in Hong Kong were used sparingly so as not to fuel social instability, over time pro-Beijing crime syndicates operating in Taiwan would be called on to do just that, as a means to discredit Taiwan’s democracy and its leadership.
Taiwan
The ruling Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) says the government must take steps to curb Chinese proxies in Taiwan. That’s the word from DPP spokesperson Lee Yen-jong on Monday
Lee accused the Hong Kong police of sitting idly by and allowing the mob to attack innocent people. She said the violence shows that certain Hong Kong organized crime syndicates have been infiltrated and controlled by Beijing in order to suppress the public call for democracy.
Lee said the latest protests in Hong Kong serve as a lesson for Taiwan.
“We will not allow the Hong Kong of today to become the Taiwan of tomorrow. We must immediately map out a comprehensive system to counteract infiltration from Beijing and their political proxies. [We] must curb the various threatening means that Beijing’s proxies in Taiwan are using to damage the social stability and democratic system of Taiwan,” said Lee.
Chinese triads in Yuen Long being the S.A, brownshirts here, pressed into violent repressive action against the lambs, by Chinese intelligence and PLA is one for the history books. It’s getting worse. I think a real possibility of PLA dispatched to Hong Kong to put down the rebellion grows by the hour.
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