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SCOTUS: Census question Stays; but needs further explanation from the agency.
Supreme Court of the United States ^ | 06-27-2019 | John G. Roberts

Posted on 06/27/2019 7:38:42 AM PDT by TexasGurl24

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To: mewzilla

“Bottom line: If it’s NOT on there, conservatives in blue states should refuse to fill it out.”

Conservatives in blue states should avoid any contact with any element of the census.

In any and all cases.

In the red states, go out of your way to comply.


121 posted on 06/27/2019 8:21:40 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: kenmcg

Fox already changed it’s internet reporting on this. They added a “for now.” The breathless brain-dead teleprompter readers on the screen couldn’t have read the opinion, and the opinion is complex.

The court systematically rejected all of the NY challenges to the form, and expressly ruled that a citizenship question is Constitutional.

The only reason its more complicated than it needs to be, is that the agency needs to provide a clearer explanation of why it wanted the question.

That’s it.

Census has already said they can meet a 10/31 deadline. The July 1 deadline was arbitrary, and the court said that it wasn’t binding.

10/31 is enough time, if the agency pushes.


122 posted on 06/27/2019 8:21:48 AM PDT by TexasGurl24
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To: TexasGurl24
The end result here, is that if the agency gives a good reason for the Census question then it stays.

That should be a rather simple exercise.

123 posted on 06/27/2019 8:22:21 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: HamiltonJay

I can’t wait until Trump’s second term when (short of an unexpected departure) at least one more left wing justice will retire. 5-4 is nice 6 to 3 or 7-2 is much better...


Wishful thinking. Roberts is all the proof you need that “Trump Judges” are not going to turn this Deep State controlled ship around.


124 posted on 06/27/2019 8:22:45 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Innovative

Notice how all of the outlets are now adding the “for now” to their initial reporting.

That “for now” is temporary.

The agency simply gives a clearer explanation, and the forms are printed in October rather than July.


125 posted on 06/27/2019 8:22:51 AM PDT by TexasGurl24
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To: kenmcg
The Court did not immediately rule in favor of Commerce to add the question, but it gave them what they need to get it on.

Think of it this way, you filled out an application for a loan. The loan officer calls you back and says -
"Sorry I had to deny your loan application because you filled it out wrong. But I looked at your information and I'll approve it as soon as you refile a new application."


This isn't the end. With this ruling it's much more likely than not that the question WILL be on the Census.
126 posted on 06/27/2019 8:23:38 AM PDT by MMaschin (The difference between strategy and tactics!)
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To: kenmcg; TexasGurl24

“WTF!! Fox says it’s no good for the 2020 census.”

Fox is just trying to cement its place in the fake news hall of fame.


127 posted on 06/27/2019 8:23:38 AM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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To: ZULU

Conservatives will regret Gorsuch and Kavanaugh as we regret Roberts.
The ONLY conservatives on that court are Thomas and Alitto.


That’s pretty much where I am at, unfortunately. These Justices are no better than the useless US Senators who confirm them. I suppose that is not a coincidence.


128 posted on 06/27/2019 8:24:33 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: MMaschin

It’s misleading to say that the question “stays” in this scenario when more is required. While the MSM has done a bad job with reporting on this case, the headline of this thread sucks.


129 posted on 06/27/2019 8:26:29 AM PDT by Stravinsky
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To: TexasGurl24
In order to permit meaningful judicial review, an agency must “‘disclose the basis’” of its action.

Let's take a little stroll down Memory Lane regarding the Census Bureau and "meaningful" decision-making.

Does anybody remember when President Obama nominated Republican Senator Judd Gregg (R-NH) to be the Secretary of Commerce?

The Senate was 58-41 Democrat, with one vacancy (Franken/Coleman dispute). Suspicious political junkies immediately realized that New Hampshire had a Democrat governor, and nominating Gregg to Commerce would allow the governor to replace him with a Democrat to give the Democrats a 60-seat filibuster-proof majority when Franken is seated.

Gregg demanded assurances from the Governor of New Hampshire that he would be replaced by his chief-of-staff, but we all know how good the word of a Democrat is, especially with control of the Senate at stake.

The lure for Gregg was the census, until Obama misplayed his hand by announcing that he was moving the Census Bureau from its longstanding home at Commerce to now being run directly from the Oval Office. Upon that news, Gregg withdrew his name from consideration and stayed in the Senate.

It's clear that Obama wanted direct control of the mechanics of the census by his desire to take over. Was this a decision that the Supreme Court would have considered to require more explanation?

-PJ

130 posted on 06/27/2019 8:27:34 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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To: milagro

Has the form even been printed? Is it ready for mailing?


131 posted on 06/27/2019 8:29:26 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: TexasGurl24
And that line you pointed out that Roberts added -
“Relatedly, a court may not set aside an agency’s policymaking decision solely because it might have been influenced by political considerations or prompted by an Administration’s priorities.”
will make it VERY hard for the lower court to deny Commerce's explanation. It looks like it directly targets Maryland Judge Hazel's argument.
132 posted on 06/27/2019 8:30:03 AM PDT by MMaschin (The difference between strategy and tactics!)
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To: TexasGurl24

Let the ICE sweep begin. start in the the cities and states with the highest known concentrations of illegals, especially “Sanctuary cities”.

Just ensure there are no illegals to count and the citizenship question becomes unnecessary.


133 posted on 06/27/2019 8:31:17 AM PDT by jmclemore (Go Trump)
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To: wiseprince

“Just print them as is and people who want to challenge it can take it to court. Play their game”

... and by the time all that takes place Trump’s admin will have sent in the rationale.


134 posted on 06/27/2019 8:31:21 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: TexasGurl24
The agency simply gives a clearer explanation, and the forms are printed in October rather than July.

WHO determines the validity of this "clearer explanation" and WHEN will this determination be made?

135 posted on 06/27/2019 8:33:03 AM PDT by Roccus (When you talk to a politician...ANY politician...always say, "Remember Ceausescu")
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To: TexasGurl24

I’m sure that President Trump has a response and action plan prepared for this eventuality. We should be hearing it shortly.


136 posted on 06/27/2019 8:34:09 AM PDT by bwest
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To: TexasGurl24

Thank You so much for your input.

Judge Napolitano is such a complete buffoon. He never gets ANYTHING right.

Anyone know how that other moron, Cnn’s Toobin, was reporting this.


137 posted on 06/27/2019 8:34:24 AM PDT by Conserv
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To: Roccus

It can all be done by October, but the agency will need to hustle.

Importantly, the lower court needs to remember:

“A court may not set aside an agency’s policymaking decision solely because it might have been influenced by political considerations or prompted by an Administration’s priorities.”


138 posted on 06/27/2019 8:34:25 AM PDT by TexasGurl24
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To: TexasGurl24

The census counts citizens. It has no reason to count those who are just passing through as citizens. But it needs to ask everyone it meets if he/she is a citizen so that it can count citizens.


139 posted on 06/27/2019 8:35:10 AM PDT by I want the USA back (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. Orwell.)
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To: Stravinsky
It’s misleading to say that the question “stays” in this scenario when more is required. While the MSM has done a bad job with reporting on this case, the headline of this thread sucks.

Agreed. But I believe that it's even more misleading to say that the question will not appear on the Census.

An accurate headline would be - "Court clears way for Citizenship question to be added to Census if Commerce dept is able to provide better explanation for why it is needed".
140 posted on 06/27/2019 8:36:52 AM PDT by MMaschin (The difference between strategy and tactics!)
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