Posted on 06/25/2019 9:03:23 AM PDT by rintintin
“When every single intel source in the planet, including your own general who visited the Egyptians, Israelis, and Jordanians, ALL say there are WMDs “
Sorry, but the UN inspector — on the ground in Iraq — pleaded for Bush not to launch a war, because they weren’t finding any WMDs. That’s a fact, go google it.
And after the invasion, when US didn’t find any WMDs, Bush and Cheney both publicly said so. so the UN guy turned out to be right.
“And also, Bush wouldn’t have had to admit shame-facedly, after the fact, that he we were wrong about the WMDs”
Freepers are still using Saddam’s WMDs as an excuse.
Ben Shapiro clearly aspires to be the George Will of the 21st Century.
Good luck with that, son.
Agreed! That, and the additional sanctions against their leadership.
"If only Bush had done a secretive cyberattack on Saddam’s “WMD” facilities. We could have saved 4000 American lives, thousands of amputations (enough lost limbs to fill a warehouse), and upwards of $5 trillion of taxpayer dollars. And also, Bush wouldn’t have had to admit shame-facedly, after the fact, that he we were wrong about the WMDs - he could have shrugged and quietly let the whole thing pass."
Not only all of that, but Saddam would have remained a check on Iran.
He would have been weaker initially, but would have re-built over time.
Also, ISIS probably wouldn't have started (al-Qaeda in Iraq, the predecessor to ISIS started in 2004).
Of course hindsight is 20/20, but we would be much better off had we just stuck to hitting hard AQ & the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Trump's instincts, so far...are very good.
“Freepers are still using Saddam’s WMDs as an excuse.”
They need to tell Bush and Cheney. Both publicly say there were no WMDs.
Logic says the same thing. If Saddam had WMDs, why didn’t he use them against the invading troops, to save his own life? If he wasn’t going to use them to keep himself alive, either 1) he didn’t have them, as Bush and Cheney both admit; or 2) they were no threat to anyone, because if he wasn’t going to use them to keep himself and his family breathing, then when WOULD he use them?
Bottom line: The invasion was a fool’s errand, as Trump has said again and again.
I just ignore Shapiro when it comes to Trump. He just cannot get past his personal dislike of the man. Ben always seems genuinely embarrassed to have Donald Trump as his president.
Two dopes who would convert to Islam before they ever enlisted in the U.S. military themselves.
Just crazy.
Ben Shapiro whose gf tried to destroy Corey Lewandowski?
The most obvious question anyone should ask about alleged WMDs in Iraq: Why didn't Saddam Hussein use them to save his own ass?
Total bs by an idiot wanna be. Levin and Shapiro said nothing of the kind this is a nobody trying to elevate himself on the backs of real thought leaders.
I have no problem with the president’s forbearance in this instance because I firmly believe he will respond militarily to another direct attack on US assets. More importantly, I think the Iranians believe it too.
“The most obvious question anyone should ask about alleged WMDs in Iraq: Why didn’t Saddam Hussein use them to save his own ass?”
My point exactly. If you’re the victim of a home invasion and you own a gun, are you telling me you won’t use the gun to protect yourself and your family?
The man who doesn’t use a gun to protect himself and his family DOESN’T OWN A GUN.
Strong F Shapiro
Slightly milder F Levin
These quasi neoconservatives are disappointing me over and over
Levin coulda been a contender
Any southerner who is conservative and can tolerate the way those two demean our ancestors daily is a to coin Levin ...a putz
I listen to them for entertainment not guidance though Levin has hit high notes on occasion
I spent the majority of my Army career and all of my post-Army career from 1995 to 2007 working counterterrorism issues, including 15 months on the White House staff shortly after 9/11. The two things that fry my ass more than anything else are the perpetuation of two myths promulgated and, unfortunately, echoed by GW Bush.
1. Iraq was not involved in international terrorism.
Consider: Shortly after he came to power in 1979, Saddam openly stated that terrorism was the “...only means of power projection available to Iraq.”
Sabri Khalil al-Banna, better known as Abu Nidal, one of the most notorious international terrorists ever, operated almost exclusively from Iraq after his separation from Arafat and the PLO. Until he was executed by the Mukhabarat in 2002, he enjoyed the protection of Saddam Hussein. Why?
Like Nidal, Ahmed Jibril separated from Arafat and the PLO and moved the headquarters of the PFLP-GC - an ally of the Syrian and Iraqi Baathist parties, to Iraq for a time. The PFLP-GC was established because, in Jibril’s mind, the PFLP was not militant enough.
Muhammad al-Umari, known in Palestinian circles as Abu Ibrahim, but to us as the “Mad Bomber,” based his operations in Baghdad, enjoyed the protection of Saddam’s government and was responsible for a broad range of bombings of facilities and aircraft.
There are more, but you get the idea...
2. There were no WMDs in Iraq.
This one really bothers me. There are hundreds of articles referencing multiple documented seizures of WMDs and fissile materials. This one from CBS News, no friend of the Bush administration, in 2008 - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-secretly-takes-yellowcake-from-iraq/ - documents the seizure of yellow cake and references Saddam’s “nuclear program.” Nuclear is pretty WMD-ish, but there are many more references to Saddam’s nuclear program.
Did Iraq not use mustard gas - a WMD - and other “chemical weapons” against the Kurds and against Iranian forces? Did we not document the movement of presumed WMDs into Syria and, even worse yet, farther south into the Bekaa Valley? Has Syria not used WMDs against its own people at least twice in recent years? Where did that come from?
The truth is that, long after the media’s campaign of “No WMDs” (Read: No reason to go to war in Iraq) and despite the seizure and documented use of WMDs by Iraq, President Bush made a decision that he would not reopen the discussion on Iraqi WMDs.
I’ve listened to Levin for a long time. Generally like him (although fading), but usually skip ahead on podcast when he gets into foreign policy, hard to listen to, just too emotional and irrational.
A short article showing Saddam did have weapons, as admitted by the NYT’s finally, and that we had no other choice but to take that Genocidal, homicidal mad man out- He was definitely trying to get nuclear weapons as well-
Shapiro is married to a Jewish girl
The luscious Ms Fields was Bens friends paramour
“Did Iraq not use mustard gas - a WMD - and other “chemical weapons” against the Kurds and against Iranian forces? “
Yes, 10 years earlier. The question was whether they had WMDs in 2003. They didn’t. If you want to debate that, don’t debate me, debate with Bush, Cheney - and Trump. They all disagree with you and have said so publicly.
I couldn’t give a shit what anyone with any relationship to the UN said about anything. I don’t have to Google anything; I was there. Here’s one link for you; I’m assuming you know what yellowcake is...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-secretly-takes-yellowcake-from-iraq/
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