Posted on 06/15/2019 4:16:44 AM PDT by Liz
The NYT is reporting Obama's FBI sent a “cloaked investigator” to London to meet with Trump aide George Papadopoulos in Sept 2016.....spinning news designed to protect deep-state sources.
AG Barr’s promise to investigate the investigators spooked the Deep State. The result is news with a “modified limited hangout” approach, where fragments are presented as revelations while the full picture remains artfully hidden. The NYT story repeatedly suggests Azra Turk is an FBI agent, but doesn’t say so directly probably means she isn’t. Reporter Adam Goldman, told CNN they called Turk a government investigator “for a reason, and I’m going to leave it at that”.....said the deep-state errand boy.
Naturally, all sources are anonymous, identified generally as “people familiar with the operation.” My guess is they include Jim Comey, Andrew McCabe and other dirty cops worried they are in Barr’s crosshairs. They should worry, especially about Barr’s probe into leaks. There is no question that FBI officials were among the same reporters’ sources all along as the Times painted Trump as a Russian agent.
Which is why the NYT assures readers there was nothing amiss in the Obama-ordered spying, arguing that the existence of an “operation aimed at a presidential campaign” reveals “the level of alarm inside the FBI” over Russian efforts to disrupt the 2016 election......an odd and extremely biased way to describe the possibly illegal effort by the Obama admin to spy on the presidential campaign of the opposition.
Imagine how that sentence would be written if a Republican president spied on a Democratic candidate.
And why are the reporters certain the spying was legitimate and not a plot to stop Trump from being elected? Because their sources say so, making this a powerful example of why the Times was wrong to abolish its standards.
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This assertion is not well supported by case law, and if the Natural Born Clause was ever tested before the Supreme Court your argument will not prevail. Since that will never happen, your opinion will remain only your's. There are lots of other ones out there that are in the same boat.
YOURS. There is no word “your’s
A Natural Born Citizen has two citizen parents and is born in the United States. The Obama precedent makes it a sure thing that anyone born anywhere in he world is now eligible to be President of the United States.
Your punctuation skills are clearly superior to mine. Your logic and Constitutional knowledge, not so much. Thanks for the correction.
Unfortunately, since this definition cannot be found in the Constitution, your assertion can only be proven to be true by a Court case. None exists and I believe will never be decided, so who might be a Natural Born Citizen will be decided by practice, currently those who are not required to obtain their citizenship through naturalization laws. Demanding that everyone submit to your notion is a futile quest. Especially since politicians do not want any limits on what and how they might decide to do. That fight is over.
Obama certainly worked hard and brilliantly to obscure his citizenship status, but I don't think that it had anything to his place of birth or nationality of his father. His birth certificate is forged because he held a replacement birth certificate listing his step father as his father and he held Indonesian Citizenship. He used an Indonesian passport to get into Occidental and Columbia long after he could have, by law, resorted his American Citizenship. Obama was manipulating the system, as he continues to do whenever the opportunity presents. My opinion, nothing of great worth.
We ain't gonna see schizznik until Biden wraps up the nom on SuperTuesday.
And then I expect Trump to release a searchable database of everything (including GropinJoe!) a la Wikileaks.
Morrison Waite disagrees.
Everyone can have an opinion on this issue and some of them have very informed opinions that, of course, have not been adjudicated. My objection is to those who make a declarative statement that is nothing more than one of many with many Supreme Court justices and legal scholars who have said the opposite. Wish it were so does not make it so.
Even looser than that. If ones qualification is not questioned, or if there is no record of a naturalization ceremony, then "they're in." We know that dual citizenship at birth is not a barrier.
Naturalization laws were the focal point in Rogers v. Bellei, an early 1970's case which depends on finding that a person "born a citizen" by dint of statutory law, is "naturalized" even though there is no ceremony. That rule of law is not going to operate against a presidential candidate, ever.
I figure this is one of the minor parts of the constitution that has been rendered inoperative by the fedeal government. A much bigger part is the extent the constiutuional principles of "enumberated powers" and "limited federal government" have been run over.
The government doesn't have to follow the constitution. The people aren't going to rebel.
You are right about one point, for sure. The judiciary and the bar all believe that the Natural Born Clause was to block some son or grandson of George III from seizing power of the United States. The question will never reach the Supreme Court.
Anchor babies born of ZERO citizen parents, children raised OUTSIDE of the US, in a place that is hostile to the US, would not be challenged on the basis of citizenship, if they are born of non-citizens on US soil.
My reaction to that nonsense is to conclude that we are a nation run by thugs and whim. I find the US government is illegitimate, holding power by force, not by consent of the governed, and certainly not following the limitations set out in the Constitution.
What did you mean by that?
Nevertheless, they did answer it.
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