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Shock as flotilla of three Chinese warships arrive for 'secret' visit to Sydney - just days after
Daily Mail ^ | Published: 21:33 EDT, 2 June 2019 | Updated: 07:37 EDT, 3 June 2019 | Kylie Stevens For Daily Mail Australia and Danyal Hussain For Mailonline

Posted on 06/04/2019 2:37:56 AM PDT by Zhang Fei

Three Chinese warships with 700 sailors on board will spend the next four days docked in Sydney Harbour on an unannounced visit.

The 'secret visit' comes just days after it was revealed that a Chinese warship had confronted an Australian vessel in the South China Sea, with Australian helicopter pilots targeted with lasers.

Footage emerged of the warships' arrival into Sydney on Monday morning with sailors lined up on the ships in combat uniform, with some carrying guns.

The appearance of the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLA- N) frigate, an auxiliary replenishment ship, and an amphibious vessel docked at Garden Island, comes amid heightened concern about Beijing's growing clout and military muscle flexing.

Since coming to power, President Xi Jinping has invested heavily in the People's Liberation Army Navy - in a bid to project Chinese influence across the Pacific and beyond.

Tensions have been high in the South China Sea, a major global shipping thoroughfare and a major source of untapped oil and gas reserves, which China claims almost all of.

It has in the past hit out at the US and its allies over naval operations in the area and has been turning reefs and islets into islands, installing military facilities on them.

The ships have since docked at the Royal Australian Navy base in Potts Point in a visit that was recently approved by the federal government.

Curious members of the public later boarded the vessels for a closer inspection.

A Department of Defence spokeswoman told Daily Mail Australia the routine port visit was one of many port visits to Australia by foreign military vessels facilitated each year.

'This PLA-N visit is part of an extended deployment for the PLA-N Task Force which recently completed anti-piracy operations in the Gulf of Aden,' the spokeswoman said.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: australia; china; maga; maritime; redchina; trump
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To: Joe Boucher

Any ship’s captain in the U.S. Navy would have been relieved of command if his vessel got rust like that ChiCom barge in the photo.

But yes, the Aussies should notify Beijing that Chinese military ships in their ports is a bit much and that unless it’s an emergency, please stay the h*** out!


41 posted on 06/04/2019 7:45:21 AM PDT by elcid1970 (No matter how bad things get, it can only be worse in New Jersey!)
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To: naturalman1975

[But that does not mean Australia would not to the aid of the US as an ally in the case of war with China.]


Given that the Pacific War was merely Japan aping China’s traditional role as regional empire builder, it would be prudent for Australia to get involved. An American defeat and retreat from the Pacific would mean eventual provincial status for any lands to the south and east of China.


42 posted on 06/04/2019 7:46:07 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: All

Attempting to show strength, the Chinese show 2 things:

1. Weakness. 1 Frigate, 1 Supply ship and 1 Amphib ship.
———That is a great way to project force /sarc
———No air defense of any range and easy kills of the Chinese marines on that amphib ship.

2. China’s lack of logistic chain in its own backyard. They are beginning to put together a blue water navy but have few allies that would give them harbor in time of war.


43 posted on 06/04/2019 7:51:50 AM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: ifinnegan

[Nonsense.
It was latter weaseling due to ChiCom influence, attempts to placate the communist regime.]


I don’t think Australian policy makers are oblivious. During WWII, the only thing that stood between Australia and prefectural status in the Japanese empire was the USN. If China pushes Uncle Sam out of the Western Pacific, Australia’s days as an independent country are numbered.


44 posted on 06/04/2019 7:56:16 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei

If you let in 3 PLAN ships into your port and hour later you want to let in 3 more.


45 posted on 06/04/2019 8:02:47 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

All Free Traitors™ care about is $$$$$$$$$$$.


46 posted on 06/04/2019 8:03:52 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: rbmillerjr

[Attempting to show strength, the Chinese show 2 things:]


I think they’re working the kinks out more than anything else. They have a target of 6 carriers by 2030, and parity in ship numbers with USN today, meaning they have plenty of vessels to act as the defensive screen necessary for carrier task forces/battle groups. What’s key is that the Chinese military is being given ample funding to expand its capabilities - better than parity vis-a-vis US spending when you consider salary differences.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_ships_of_the_United_States_Navy
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_People%27s_Liberation_Army_Navy_ships


47 posted on 06/04/2019 8:20:58 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Oh, the threat is real, no doubt.

China has relegated Russia, to a mere nuisance threat imo.

The next war will be a standoff war and NavalAir war in the South China Sea.

However, I doubt they will have more than 2 carriers ready to operate effectively, by 2030. They have a lot of work to do in naval-air-sea operations and in carrier takeoff and landings during weather and night operations.


48 posted on 06/04/2019 8:26:49 AM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: rbmillerjr

[However, I doubt they will have more than 2 carriers ready to operate effectively, by 2030. They have a lot of work to do in naval-air-sea operations and in carrier takeoff and landings during weather and night operations.]


There is a saying about how some timelines can’t be compressed, viz a woman can have a baby in 9 months, but 9 women can’t have a baby in a month. Assuming the Chinese are willing to spend the money and sacrifice the men, I don’t think they’ll have any problem compressing the learning curve.


49 posted on 06/04/2019 8:35:11 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Secret visit? I heard about this upcoming visit a few weeks ago from an Australian friend.


50 posted on 06/04/2019 8:53:39 AM PDT by crusadersoldier
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To: ifinnegan; Zhang Fei

“Australia teeters on the brink of being a ChiCom vassal state.”

I get this nagging feeling that the ChiComs view the Australia Outback as some sort of future Asiatic lebenstraum area.


51 posted on 06/04/2019 10:53:27 AM PDT by Towed_Jumper (Every time a Muslim dies an angel gets his wings.)
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To: Towed_Jumper

When I recently visited Sydney, I thought I was in China, it’s pretty much now an “Asian” city.


52 posted on 06/04/2019 10:56:02 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Towed_Jumper

16 years ago, then PRC “president” Hu Jintao gave a speech to the Australian parliament where he claimed Australia as Chinese territory.

“Back in the 1420s, the expeditionary fleets of China’s Ming Dynasty reached Australian shores.

For centuries, the Chinese sailed across vast seas and settled down in what they called Southern Land, or today’s Australia.”

That’s the exact same reasoning they used to claim Tibet, Xinjiang, all the South China seas etc...


53 posted on 06/04/2019 11:04:15 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: ifinnegan

[16 years ago, then PRC “president” Hu Jintao gave a speech to the Australian parliament where he claimed Australia as Chinese territory.

“Back in the 1420s, the expeditionary fleets of China’s Ming Dynasty reached Australian shores.

For centuries, the Chinese sailed across vast seas and settled down in what they called Southern Land, or today’s Australia.”

That’s the exact same reasoning they used to claim Tibet, Xinjiang, all the South China seas etc...]


China’s national ideology through the ages, encapsulated in the move “Hero”, is that peace will be achieved only when a single ruler governs all under heaven. I expect a strong China to expand until stopped by sufficient force, or internal strife, as it has throughout history. Nothing to do with lebensraum, which was anyhow a fig leaf for Hitler’s lunge for eternal fame. (Hitler was somewhat successful, in that people who have never heard of Churchill or Stalin have probably heard of Hitler, in much the same way that Napoleon is more famous than Arthur Wellesley).


54 posted on 06/04/2019 11:26:12 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: ifinnegan

Fool. The question very soon will be if the US should save Australia from the Chinese. Why would China fight the US, when the land and resources they need is wide open to the south.


55 posted on 06/04/2019 11:27:59 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Yeah well, that story is repeated no doubt on millions of planets in this Galaxy. It is even repeated in numerous civilizations on this planet. The Chinese stand no chance. They are no doubt, newborns.


56 posted on 06/04/2019 11:31:42 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: dfwgator; ifinnegan

Some day, as ChiCom landing craft are hitting the beaches around Darwin, many Australians are going to realize that giving up most of their guns was a very bad idea.


57 posted on 06/04/2019 11:37:42 AM PDT by Towed_Jumper (Every time a Muslim dies an angel gets his wings.)
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To: Zhang Fei
China’s national ideology through the ages, encapsulated in the move “Hero”, is that peace will be achieved only when a single ruler governs all under heaven...

天下

Zhang Yimou went from To Live to full on ChiCom propagandist.

58 posted on 06/04/2019 11:42:32 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Towed_Jumper

[Some day, as ChiCom landing craft are hitting the beaches around Darwin, many Australians are going to realize that giving up most of their guns was a very bad idea.]


It won’t make that much of a dent. The Chinese approach to guerrilla warfare is pretty traditional:

https://www.quora.com/If-guerrilla-warfare-is-so-hard-to-beat-why-didnt-more-countries-militaries-revert-to-guerilla-tactics-when-they-were-on-the-verge-of-defeat/answer/Yifeng-Huang-8?

[Guerilla warfare can be easily defeated if the attackers are resolute.

Genghis Khan, probably the greatest conquerer ever, never had a problem with guerilla warfare, even though the lands he conquered included Afghanistan. Why? Because his army simply slaughter all civilians, including their babies, who dare to fight against them.

In the Vietnam war, the Americans struggled against the Vietcongs. When China fought Vietnam, China simply romped through North Vietnam (north of Hanoi), transport removable factories/infrastructure back to China while destroying those that they cannot bring back. One crack Vietnamese division that was rushed back from Cambodia wisely decided to settle into prepared defensive positions near Hanoi instead of reinforcing the surrounded troops north of Hanoi. Why didn’t China has problem with Vietcong guerilla fighters?

When I first visited China in the 1990s, a retired veteran bitterly told me that his Major was killed by a ~6 year old Vietnamese kid holding a secret pistol when he was giving out food to the kid. Apparently, this is not an isolated incident. Very soon, they enacted Genghis Khan’s strategy. North Vietnamese villagers encountered were simply labeled as “civilian militia”, treated as combatants and showed no mercy. PLA never encounter anymore guerilla problems because there were no civilians left to provide the guerilla with information, shelter and food!

In the 1980s, there is no internet and no international reporter who has access to report on this. Chinese body counts, which included “civilian militia combatants”, concluded that enemy casualties were in excess of 10 times PLA losses.]


What Australia needs to do is double its defense spending.


59 posted on 06/04/2019 11:45:50 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Lot of rust on em.


60 posted on 06/04/2019 4:20:13 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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