How Did Russiagate Begin?

The Nation ^ | May 30, 2019 | Stephen F. Cohen

[LittleBillyInfidel]

Nothing cheapens an otherwise serious crisis better than throwing a cliched and obligatory fricking “-gate” on to it.

[Signalman]

Steve Cohen is one of the few honest libs out there. It’s difficult to beleive The Nation, a left-wing magazine, would publish this.

[Theoria]

His wife[Katrina vanden Heuvel] is the editor and part owner of The Nation. The have always been suspicious of the Russia stuff, as have other writers like Aaron Maté who works for her.

[milagro]

No kidding!!

[Cboldt]

-- It's difficult to beleive The Nation, a left-wing magazine, would publish this. --

That was my thought too. Saw the source, and jumped to the conclusion that the content was misleading - which it likely is, but not the same way I prejudged.

[ETL]

2. The second explanation—currently, and oddly, favored by non-comprehending pro-Trump commentators at Fox News and elsewhere—is that “Putin’s Kremlin” pumped anti-Trump “disinformation” into the American media, primarily through what became known as the Steele Dossier. As I pointed out nearly a year and a half ago, this makes no sense factually or logically. Nothing in the dossier suggests that any of its contents necessarily came from high-level Kremlin sources, as Steele claimed. Moreover, if Kremlin leader Putin so favored Trump, as a Russiagate premise insists, is it really plausible that underlings in the Kremlin would have risked Putin’s ire by furnishing Steele with anti-Trump “information”?

There is a TON of evidence that the Russians attempted to hurt Trump and help Hillary Clinton win the election!

The Nation magazine is a communist rag, not to be trusted.

You can find a lot of that evidence on my FR Home page:

http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/

[Kid Shelleen]

>> Spygate is the first American scandal in which the government wants the facts published transparently but the media want to cover them up.” <<

That is the money line.

The one thing I would add to the article is that the DNC needed a scapegoat for the DNC server hack and blaming Russia would be a good issue to use against Trump. That is when the MSM first exposed their collusion with the DNC and their anti Trump propaganda.

[ETL]

The one thing I would add to the article is that the DNC needed a scapegoat for the DNC server hack and blaming Russia would be a good issue to use against Trump.

You really ought to read up on things before you try to act like you know what you're talking about. The Dems worked closely with the Russians in this elaborate, highly sophisticated, but typical KGB/FSB-style hoax.

[wardaddy]

First I read of it was grumbling prior to the elections

Then the morning after the election when Hillary wouldn’t come out it was reported that Podesta Hillary and Mook and maybe Cheryl Mills and Plieffer were already leaking that they thought the Russians had meddled handing the election to Trump

Why?

Because they knew it was already in the works via Brennan and Clapper and Fusion GPS and British subterfuge and Somforth

And it went from there

That’s how I remember it

Anyone else?

[ETL]

Steve Cohen is one of the few honest libs out there. It’s difficult to believe The Nation, a left-wing magazine, would publish this.

The former KGB and FSB working in and around Putin must laugh their butts off at how easily people here can be tricked and manipulated. They are masters at the complex game of chess, while most us, unfortunately, suck at simple checkers.

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

2. The second explanation—currently, and oddly, favored by non-comprehending pro-Trump commentators at Fox News and elsewhere—is that “Putin’s Kremlin” pumped anti-Trump “disinformation” into the American media, primarily through what became known as the Steele Dossier. As I pointed out nearly a year and a half ago, this makes no sense factually or logically. Nothing in the dossier suggests that any of its contents necessarily came from high-level Kremlin sources, as Steele claimed. Moreover, if Kremlin leader Putin so favored Trump, as a Russiagate premise insists, is it really plausible that underlings in the Kremlin would have risked Putin’s ire by furnishing Steele with anti-Trump “information”?

There is a TON of evidence that the Russians attempted to hurt Trump and help Hillary Clinton win the election!

The point is that point 2, above, and

3. The third possible explanation—one I have termed “Intelgate,” and that I explore in my recent book War With Russia?: From Putin & Ukraine to Trump & Russiagate—is that US intelligence agencies undertook an operation to damage, if not destroy, first the candidacy and then the presidency of Donald Trump.

are mutually exclusive only to someone who accepts the fraudulent conceit that Russians must have illicitly helped Trump or he wouldn’t have won.

Now it is true that hacking Podesta’s email was illegal. But that doesn’t mean it was done by the Russians; it might have been Seth Rich.

[AFreeBird]

It all began in Chicago Illinois, October 26, 1947 when the she-devil, little Hillary Rodham was born.

[rsobin]

The Russian investigation began because it is the Democrats’ mode of operation to accuse the other side of what they are guilty of. This happens over and over. It does not matter if there is any evidence. They will manufacture some. This is the reason.

[ETL]

No need to get into all that, whatever it is, as it SHOULD BE an absolute no-brainer that the Russians would have much preferred a pathetically weak, "accommodating", Hillary Clinton in control. She no doubt would have continued the devastation of the Obama-Biden admin.

This, as opposed to a very strong on defense Trump-Pence team.

Obama-Biden-Hillary gave Putin everything he wanted and more in such critical areas as missile defense, the New Start nuke treaty, the Iran nuke deal, Uranium-One, etc, etc. So OF COURSE they (the Russians) would have wanted Hillary to win the election. Meanwhile, Obama-Biden damn near (purposely) dismantled our military!

Everyone knows, or should know, that the Russians are notorious for interfering in other countries' elections. Just ask the Ukrainians. The guy who ran against Putin's puppet in 2014 is still disfigured from an assassination by poison attempt.

[Kid Shelleen]

>> The Dems worked closely with the Russians in this elaborate, highly sophisticated, but typical KGB/FSB-style hoax <<

I am not saying the Russian were NOT behind the hack but it is a matter of fact that Robbie Mook blamed the Russians for the hack and implied Trump was working with the Russian.

That same day, July 22, Wikileaks released emails from the Democratic National Committee. Two days later, on the 24th, Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook went on television to claim that not only was Russia behind the hack — that was later proven true — but also that the Trump campaign was in league with Russia

Citation:

Retrospective: Mueller and the fatal flaw of the Trump-Russia affair

[ETL]

OK, thanks for the response. Will check it out a while later. :)

[ETL]

BTW, Here's a very small sample of what I've put together on my FR Home page...

May 31, 2019

Rep. Devin Nunes (R-California) on Robert Mueller’s May 29, 2019 (final?) press conference:

Nunes: "He [Mueller] was so blatantly dishonest yesterday that he says, well, the Office of Legal Counsel says that you can’t indict a sitting president.

Well, he should have been gone after day two.

He has no Russians, except for the Fusion and Clinton Russians, and possibly the dirty cop, the FBI’s Russians, those are the only Russians that he has, to show connections to the Trump campaign.

Clearly, the Clinton operation is heavily working with Russians or Russian disinformation.

He didn’t take time to look into any of that[!]”

Partial transcript above begins at about the 1:34 mark in the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yutgFcr5T9A&list=PLlTLHnxSVuIyw5jPrLmewrpBJAPYKhgml&index=3

[Pelham]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWPmEKe1UGA

[Kid Shelleen]

I saw that the links you had on homepage. You did a lot of good work. You may want to add the article I cited. It has a timeline of how the Clinton campaign also colluded with the MSM to push the Russia hoax.

Do you buy into any of the theories that the DNC server hack was an inside job (Seth Rich) ?