Posted on 05/27/2019 9:59:27 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
You never posted a single criticism of how Brexit was being mismanaged. Even now you attack me like a mental while UK voted in the EU election.
LMAO you silly twit!
The announcement comes as a major blow to several Conservative leadership candidates, who have insisted on re-opening talks with Brussels if elected.
it’s actually the opposite of what the Guardian says and it’s only drivel if you can’t find any facts to oppose it (as you can’t)
Peterborough is answered in post #35
The fact is that the LibDems, Greens and SNP and ChangeUK campaigned for the EU parliament on a single plank - “a vote for us is a vote for remain” just as the Nigel Farage vehicle was a single-issue party based on “a vote for us is a vote for leave with no-deal”
And it is clear that the Number of votes for no-deal was 35% and those for remain was 40% — neither side “winning” as per facts
As to a united front against Farage - don’t say never as that’s what the tories did to gut the UKIP in 2015
That’s a different benefit. The current benefit is because of companies explicitly saying they are moving operations out from the UK to the continent due to Brexit
To elaborate - Poland’s manufacturing initially benefited from being next door to Germany.
however Poland’s economy has decoupled from Germany’s - thanks to the US (definitely the American nuclear defense umbrella is critical) and thanks to Brexit.
A lot of Polish companies are manufacturing and exporting to the world but you also have a large scope of IT talent.
Brexit in particular has helped as a number of positions for the backoffice are moving to Poland - at the same time investment roles are moving to Cork, banking roles to dublin and Frankfurt and executive roles to Amsterdam.
Utterly disingenuous reading of the situation. The Brexit Party is the only party that campaigned on the single issue of Brexit and they won handsomely, gaining almost as much as the next two parties combined. The Lib Dems and the Greens are not solely about Brexit, they have a loyal following for other reasons too, particularly the Greens and the enviroment, and for obvious reasons, the Scottish and Welsh nationalist parties have their supporters who vote for them regardless of their stance on Brexit (a third of 2015 SNP voters voted ‘Leave’). This breakdown also shows that of those who voted in the European elections, those who voted ‘leave’ in 2016 have hardened their pro-Brexit decision compared to remain voters: https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/05/my-euro-election-post-vote-poll-most-tory-switchers-say-they-will-stay-with-their-new-party/
“Overall, 89% of Euro-election voters who voted Leave still want Brexit to happen – 55% of them with no deal – and 7% now say they want to remain. Meanwhile, 81% of remainers who voted last week say they still want to remain, with 15% now saying the best outcome would be to leave. Among all those voting in the European elections, 50% said they had voted to remain in the referendum and 45% to leave; now, 50% said they wanted to leave, 46% said they wanted to remain, and 4% didn’t know.”
This doesn’t even take into account the fact that many leavers boycotted this European election because they consider it illegitimate. Based on the information I can gather, there is a majority for leave still, and this would only increase if there was a second referendum, because the only message the remoaners would have is one of negativity and national humiliation, whereas Brexit is a message of optimism and a kick in the teeth for an extremely unpopular political establishment backed up by an insufferably smug elite class who have spent the past few years demonising brexit voters as stupid racists and brazenly covetting the deaths of the elderly. Although I am confident leave would win again, it would cause even more social and political damage to this country to have a second referendum, and the remainers would lose either way, because even if they did win, they would cause bitter resentment from leave voters who had already won and had their victory stolen from them by a conniving establishment. Brexit needs to happen, and then we can all move on.
Your math is nonsense.
Wave your EU flag proudly.
Instead of just acting like a Democrat, point out where the “math is nonsense”
Let’s review the facts
Brexit party + UKIP campaigned on clear “a vote for us is a vote for Hard, no-deal Brexit before October 2019” — they got 35% of the vote
LibDems, Greens, SNP, ChangeUK, Plaid Cymru campaigned on a clear “a vote for us is a vote for REMAIN” - they got 40% of the vote
Now what part is hard for you to understand?
You do realize that neither 35% nor 40% is half of the electorate, right?
You can add in Tories to the leave and labour to Remain or whichever formula, but that remaining 25% is unclear on what they want (leave/remain), so you should discount it.
Net result: Neither Leave, nor Remain won a clear mandate in the EU parliamentary elections for the UK
If you want to object based on facts, go ahead
The LibDems and the Greens and ChangeUK for this EU parliamentary elections campaigned solely on the platform of REMAIN
Now, you are right that in a general election the LibDems and Greens have more in their manifestos (Which UKIP and the Brexit party don’t), but these were not the GEs but the UK EU parliamentary elections with the campaigns purely on leave/remain.
Post #46 sums it up well.
Brexit voters celebrate while leftest assume to know the motivation of
non-Brexit Party voters, The only party that stood for Brexit, was the Brexit
Party. And they moped the floor. So much so that Labour and Tory party
are now in chaos, fighting among themselves.
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