Tory leadership contest: Jeremy Hunt warns against no-deal Brexit 'suicide'

bbc.com ^ | May 28, 2019 | BBC

[Zenjitsuman]

Boris votes to remain twice, what guarantee he delivers Brexit if he is PM. I don’t see him changing his view or his vote.

Get someone else.

Many voted for UKIP thinking Farage still was with UKIP.
So the Brexit vote was about 35 percent.

[Gay State Conservative]

Anyone who's been watching Brexit,even as superficially as I have,knows that Europe,too,has a Swamp...and that its inhabitants are very powerful.

As well as *utterly* amoral.

[InABunkerUnderSF]

Sounds like a problem.

Not necessarily. Norway seems to be getting on quite well as a sovereign nation outside of the EU. The UK will as well.

[ncalburt]

Your back peddling your Globalist Hell and the pro EU again; .
You got your ass kicked lefty over the weekend .

Who are you trying to fool here lefty !

You peddled non stop phony lefty polls and snapped when Brexit won

Now you pushing the Radical socialist media crap as fact ?

Why do push your lies ?

[Cronos]

Brexit votes were about 35% (Brexit party + UKIP)

Remain votes were about 40% (LibDems + Green + Plaid Cymru + Scottish Nationalist Party)

The remaining 25% went to the Tories and Labour - impossible to effectively split which of these are remain and which are leave.

But it is clear that only 35% of those who voted support HARD no-deal Brexit.

[Cronos]

Sins - it's pretty clear that the Greens, SNP, LidDems and PlaidCymru campaigned on "vote for us is a vote for remain"

So Remain definitely won 40% and no-deal definitely won 35%

But neither is a majority.

Even if one divvies up Labor and Tory votes, one gets a 52:48 one way or the other. This doesn't settle the problem in any way.

As someone who has benefited from companies leaving the UK due to Brexit, I can say "please UK, take the no-deal Brexit. Fall on yer sword!". and that unless they take this seppuku move, the argument will continue for decades.

[Cronos]

Err.. do you know anything of the Norway relation with the EU?

1. norway pays into the EU budget
2. norway has to allow free flow of EU goods, services, people (yes EU citizens can freely go to Norway to work or live) and capital
3. Norway has to follow nearly all EU rules and regulations (they take a pass on the fishing)
BUT
4. Norway does not have any representation in the EU decision making.

Norway is also a petro-state (a wise one but still a petro-state) of 5 million monoethnic people. The UK is nearly 66 million of multi-ethnic (leave alone the migration from the 60s, it has 4 nations and even among the English the yorkshiremen see themselves as different from the Cornishmen)

[Spiridon]

President Trump’s friend Nigel Farage has pretty well proven Mr. Hunt to be out of touch with reality based on those election results the other day.

Farage’s party had the Conservatives for lunch and they better catch up with his point of view or else.

[tennmountainman]

The Tory party has already committed political suicide by putting up a deal that wasn’t Brexit. Hunt, like May wants to surrender to the EU. Apparently, Hunt did not get the message delivered in the recent EU elections.

[tennmountainman]

Actually Boris voted once to remain on the 3rd vote.
But your your point is still valid.

[tennmountainman]

Nonsense. You do not know the motivation of people who voted in the EU elections were. A 35% vote like the BP had in the EU elections would run the tables in a GE.

[FLT-bird]

If you add up the votes for parties that are officially leave vs the votes for parties that are officially remain, then the electorate voted 58% in favor of leave.

[tennmountainman]

There is a by-Election coming up soon in Peterborough. Who wins if the Brexit Party wins 35% of the vote, but all the other combined party votes total 65%? But none have an individual total above 35%.
I will tell you who wins. Brexit Party.

[Cronos]

Actually, if you had listened to their election campaigns, you'd know that the LibDems, Greens and SNP basically said "A vote for us is a vote for Remain"

As I said

Brexit votes were about 35% (Brexit party + UKIP)

Remain votes were about 40% (LibDems + Green + Plaid Cymru + Scottish Nationalist Party)

The remaining 25% went to the Tories and Labour - impossible to effectively split which of these are remain and which are leave.

But it is clear that only 35% of those who voted support HARD no-deal Brexit.

As to your second point "A 35% vote like the BP had in the EU elections would run the tables in a GE." -- the thing is that the GE is definitely not going to be a single issue election, so the votes could be literally anything --it would definitely be an influence, but I think (I think - i don't know), those who voted Brexit were mostly those who would have voted Tory. In short, anything's possible.

[Cronos]

Good point. Yes, IF the Brexit party got 35% and IF no one else got higher, then the Brexit candidate would be MP

But there are two IFs in that statement

And i'll add a "but" :) -- But the Brexit party is not even a party yet - it's got no members

We don't know how Peterborough voted now and what their intentions were. What you outline is one possibility, yes, but it's still too vague

this is the muckup with Brexit - everything is so vague, anything is possible.

[tennmountainman]

Your drivel sounds just like what I see on the Guardian, BBC and other leftist media in the U.K. Your math is nonsense. Not every voter in the other parties (Besides BP) voted against a WTO exit. Many voted straight line because
they wanted their candidate to win.
I noticed your did not address my Peterborough by-Election example.
There may be 60-65% combined votes that vote against BP candidate in
Peterborough by-election. But if the BP candidate wins the largest percent
of the vote, guess who wins that seat? The BP candidate.
In addition, there will NEVER be a united front against Farage because each
party has their own thiefdoms. They are not going to give their thiefdoms
up to follow Chunka or anyone else in a united front against Farage. If they wanted to unite, they would have done it in the first vote in 2016 and certainly would have done it in the recent EU elections. Your math is nonsense.

[lodi90]

As someone who has benefited from companies leaving the UK due to Brexit, I can say “please UK, take the no-deal Brexit. Fall on yer sword!”. and that unless they take this seppuku move, the argument will continue for decades.

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You benefit because of geography. Being next door to the German economy and being under the American nuclear defense umbrella. Surely as the sun rises Poland will get the sword as the nation state dies in Europe in favor of a progressive corportist Fourth Reich dominated by German economic interests.

[HamiltonJay]

The Elite’s never wanted BREXIT and never expected it to pass... only put it on the ballot to shut it up... since it passed they have done everything they can to stall and undermine it.

[Berlin_Freeper]

You been posting that same garbage to me for years.
It is not like your condition was going to improve after all this time.

BTW all my threads about how UK is messing up Brexit are now proven 100 percent correct.

Too bad you are too much of a snowflake to have appreciated my threads.
Too bad for you that is.

[Berlin_Freeper]

You been insisting to me how well Brexit has been going for years, while crying crap about me.

How does it feel to be totally wrong all these years snowflake?