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To: sparklite2

I think you are conflating all brain function with intellect. That is not the case. Will and, for want of a better word, spirit—these are transcendent functions that go beyond logic and reason.

Unlearning slowly is a matter of self-calming of a person’s reactions/responses to specific stimuli. It takes time, even years; so some of the beneficial side effects are a growth of patience and self-encouragement to avoid or endure tough situations. The person wanting to change learns to shift gears mentally, not to treat every hard-on as a critical emergency demanding response. As time goes on, abstinence from the “undesired desires” becomes learned in place of the impulse to seek gratification.


30 posted on 05/23/2019 8:01:42 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Faith and family, not government and bureaucracy, are the true American way. --Donald Trump)
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To: Albion Wilde

Will is part of intellect and ‘spirit’ remains undefined.

Remember, the arrow goes both ways. If anyone can, over time, change physiological sexual responses from gay to straight, they are be able to go the opposite way. I don’t believe any amount of self-calming can make me respond to some guy’s hairy back. Not only would I never want to, but I don’t think it’s possible.

There’s a reason pedophiles are said to be incurable. If response is malleable, why aren’t pedophiles being cured?


31 posted on 05/24/2019 7:52:29 AM PDT by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: Albion Wilde

As time goes on, abstinence from the “undesired desires” becomes learned in place of the impulse to seek gratification.


Just to make sure we’re on the same page, I am talking about physiological responses, desires of any sort whether desirable or not. And not their extinction but their redirection. A man may feel desire for, but cannot necessarily have, every sexual object he sees, so a degree of abstinence is always present. Physiology isn’t about conscious control.

But gratification is. The attempt to eliminate gratification leads to the problems such as pedophilic ‘celibate’ clergy. Gratification is part of human nature which means there are consequences to its smothering.


32 posted on 05/24/2019 8:11:23 AM PDT by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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