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To: PA Engineer

I agree with you.

There seems to be two semi-parallel but not necessarily convergent tales being told. One; that the Russians hacked the DNC server; and I completely agree, this is an excellent point for Stone’s defense: For the FBI to assert this against Stone; this is in effect hearsay, because the not only did the FBI never examine the DNC server(s), they were DENIED permission to do so. Of course, it’s in no way obstruction for the DNC to allow the FBI to examine their server. That would be like calling the cops to report a break-in at your house, and when they show up at your door to examine the premises and collect evidence, you don’t allow them in.

And two: That the Russians “interfered” or “meddled” with the 2016 election. Nobody denies the Russians may have bought a few hundred grand in misleading or trollish Twitter and Facebook posts and nobody believes that those posts changed even a single vote.

But the FBI is trying to create a nexus; of Russian meddling AND the release of HRC emails....but those emails were (perhaps some were) on the DNC server but they would have been primarily on HER private server. Yet Stone is being accused of some activity relating to the hack of the DNC server, more accurately his knowledge of when and by whom said hack was executed.

So I myself do not see (and have never seen) the connection and correlation of these two claims, but I am shallow and superficial in that way. It has always seemed to me there was a hack of the DNC server and a hack of HRC’s server but they are being treated as the same machine when clearly they were not.


12 posted on 05/12/2019 8:27:39 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Apoplectic is where we want them)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
I agree with your summary on the attempts to connect the two.

I think there are many in a panic and they hope to cover up a great deal of wrong doing by conflating the issues.

I'm am curious if Stone's team is attacking the weak link for either of two outcomes. One being the FBI throws out the charges. The other, by pushing the issue further, Stone can establish that the hack was actually an internal data transfer (available forensic evidence). That would open up the Seth Rich issue. Either way, the FBI has painted themselves into a corner.

I'm am betting they withdraw the complaint for now and attempt to create a new narrative.
21 posted on 05/12/2019 9:22:08 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder; MinuteGal

I have never believed that the Russians hacked the DNC server. It was an inside set up job by the Dems themselves (See dead Seth Rich who knew too much). Hillary Clinton heavily involved in this fraud as well as with the fake dossier (in cahoots with the Deep state) all a fake narrative perpetrated to bring down Trump via a silent coup. Add Obama/Soros into the mix and you most likely have the whole unsavory stew of phony Russian collusion. But that won’t stop a corrupt system from prosecuting and persecuting Roger Stone anyway.


22 posted on 05/12/2019 9:26:37 PM PDT by flaglady47 (TRUMP 45 - will lethargic Conservatives let him be impeached by Dems? )
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Guccifer 1 was a Romanian postal worker that hacked for fun.

Guccifer 2 I believe is a deep state hacker, to spread disinformation and throw us off the track.


28 posted on 05/12/2019 11:21:20 PM PDT by JohnnyP (Thinking is hard work (I stole that from Rush).)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
AND the release of HRC emails....but those emails were (perhaps some were) on the DNC server but they would have been primarily on HER private server.

Many emails from her private server were released under FOIA by the State Dept. in 2015. Others of her emails were revealed after the DNC and Podesta dumps. But the nexus with her own private server is a joke from a Trump campaign speech. Trump also pointed out that her server was bleach-bitted over a year before he made the joke, that her server was only inspected by the FBI after the bleach-bitting, and that her claim that her server was always secure and never hacked would make any Russian compliance with his joke impossible.

Mainly Trump's joke was to point out the fact that those 30,000 emails were deleted to obstruct a House investigation and subpoena and not all about yoga.

35 posted on 05/13/2019 4:27:24 AM PDT by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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