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To: DiogenesLamp
This is a false position.

I am pointing out that Lincoln was willing to sell all the slaves down the river to keep economic and political control of the Southern states.

A second false position.

Therefore the primary issue of the war was not concern about slaves, it was concern about keeping the South's economic system under the control of Washington DC, where the more numerous Northern advantage in Congress could keep Southern money flowing through New York and Washington DC hands.

Third false position

You are aware that Lincoln sent a battle fleet to Charleston to attack the Confederates there, and perhaps this is how people knew war was "Just weeks prior to the outbreak of the Civil War..." ?

Fourth false position.

Lincoln's cabinet certainly made it clear that if sent those warships, it would cause a war.

You are making the democrats in the house and senate look honest !

100 posted on 05/02/2019 4:49:19 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap)
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To: Pikachu_Dad
This is a false position.

What is false about it? If the Corwin amendment passed, slavery would remain legal in the United States until the very last state decided to give it up voluntarily. Lincoln urged the passage of the Corwin amendment. This looks like selling the slaves down the river to maintain the status quo.

A second false position.

And what is false about this position? I note that the United States allowed the Philippines to have their independence. It allowed Cuba to have it's independence, and there is still an open invitation for Puerto Rico to have it's independence at any time if it should so wish it.

What is different between these countries and the Southern states? Oh yes. The Southern states were providing about 73-85% of all the revenue spent by Washington DC, and a significant chunk of the revenue coming into New York city in the 1850s and 1860s.

Third false position

The ships of the fleet were Powhatan, (Warship), Pawnee, (Warship) Pocahontas, (Warship) Harriet Lane, (Armed Cutter) Baltic, (Ocean transport converted to a troop carrying ship with several hundred riflemen on board) Yankee, (Armed tug) Thomas Freeborn (Armed Tug) and Uncle Ben. (Not sure if it was armed or not.)

So you have 4 cannon platform Warships, one troop carrier, two armed tugs and one possibly ordinary tug. Sounds like a belligerent collection of ships to me. Here is a picture of one of them.

Clearly not a "supply ship".

Fourth false position.

Seward answered the same day: “The attempt must be made with the employment of military and marine force, which would provoke combat, and probably initiate a civil war. . . I would not provoke war in any way now.”

Chase replied to the same question: “If the attempt will so inflame civil war as to involve an immediate necessity for enlistment of armies. . . I cannot advise it.”

Cameron replied: “I am greatly influenced by the opinions of Army officers [that] it is now impossible to succor the fort.”

Welles replied: “The military gentlemen represent that it is unwise. I am not disposed to controvert their opinions.”

Smith: “It would not be wise under the circumstances.”

Blair: “The evacuation of Sumter will show the government lacks firmness.”

Bates: “I am willing to evacuate Sumter, rather than be a active party in the beginning of civil war.” (p. 285)

In case you didn't realize it, those are the words of Lincoln's cabinet officials regarding his intention of sending a fleet of warships into Charleston harbor.

So, can you do anything other than claim "false!" ?

I've provided evidence to support every single point I made. Now you show me where any of them were false.

128 posted on 05/03/2019 7:56:06 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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