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Hospitals in West Virginia and Kentucky sign onto massive suit aimed at pharma industry
WV MetroNews ^ | April 29, 2019 | Alex Wiederspiel

Posted on 04/30/2019 4:47:24 AM PDT by buckalfa

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I do believe that the opioid crisis is a manufactured scam on the American people.

Think about this for one second.

Opioids' do not cost that much to buy. However if anyone you know need them for chronic pain will tell you that the new alternatives have cost them as high as $3000.00 a prescription.

Who benefits from the drug prices going through the roof?

You know who does. Big pharma does

I do not believe for one second that the heroin problem in this country is strictly from opioids. Heroin to addicts is better and cheaper not to mention that they don't have to doctor shop, so they get their heroin and heroin is what is killing people in this country. Not lortabs.

Why is heroin so plentiful on our streets? You know the answer to that question as well. It's coming across our borders on private planes and the southern border. Who flies private planes that NEVER get checked like the masses? You know the answer to that as well.

Flame on if you want to but stop buying the media and government's claims because to them it's all about money too and we know exactly how media and our own government take money from the big pharmaceuticals. If they steer more money to big pharma then guess who in turn will get more money donated to them or pricey trips across the world.

There is a concerted effort in this country to reduce our population as per Agenda 20 and Agenda 30 via Harvard geoengineering our weather with cocktails of metals, viruses and so on and their other nefarious activites. When more people kill themselves over pain than they do in overdoses and wrecks there is a reason and it's because no one gives a damn about them.
61 posted on 04/30/2019 8:54:46 AM PDT by ssfromla
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To: GailA
Thank you for this information.

Everyone screaming about reducing pain medications to patients that follow the rules and have legitimate causes for their use will regret their actions one day when they or someone they love is in so much pain that they kill themselves.
62 posted on 04/30/2019 8:58:03 AM PDT by ssfromla
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To: yldstrk
You have no idea what you are talking about. People taking pain meds after surgeries are always taken off them after a few days and doctors will not prescribe any for them after that.

You are lucky that you have never had a problem that kept you in chronic pain.

There are people that legitimately need pain meds for chronic pain due to all sorts of reasons and now they're forced to live at home in bed in pain and wishing for death because they cannot afford the cost of new meds.

If you have chronic pain and have no relief you are screwed because you can't do anything but think of pain. Forget about working again.
63 posted on 04/30/2019 9:04:06 AM PDT by ssfromla
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To: Reily

They can put sugar in something but that don’t mean I have to eat it.


64 posted on 04/30/2019 9:17:30 AM PDT by AppyPappy (How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?)
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To: AppyPappy

True!


65 posted on 04/30/2019 9:18:50 AM PDT by Reily
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To: binreadin

Ridiculous and complex? Think about this:

“Drug companies lied about the harmful effects of their products...”

Everything the pharma companies do is overseen by the FDA and the AMA. The FDA’s authorities have evolved over the past century, so have the types of opioids available to U.S. patients. After the first synthetic opioid medications were developed in the 1910s, manufacturers continued to develop new products and formulations. In the 1960s and 1970s, the FDA approved short-acting combination products such as oxycodone/acetaminophen (Percocet, 1976). In the late 1980s and early 1990s, the FDA approved long-acting formulations of older opioid products, such as morphine (MS Contin in 1985) and oxycodone extended-release (ER) (OxyContin, 1995). Most recently, starting around 2010, the FDA has approved a cohort of opioids with abuse-deterrent properties, including tapentadol ER (Nucynta ER, 2011) and hydromorphone ER (Exalgo ER, 2010), although controversy arose when the agency approved hydrocodone ER (Zohydro ER) around this time without an abuse-deterrent formulation (ADF). So if the federal government and the AMA support the products, it has little to do with the product itself only in there is a capacity to misuse or misdiagnose. And nothing except supplements, which these drugs aren’t, can make it to the public without the approval of the government organizations who determine their use and document it with a public notice called a material safety data sheet, (MSDS), that is put out and approved by the same people that make the drugs and it is under the control and approval of the government organizations that allow the drugs to be dispensed for use.

“doctors were pressured on two fronts to prescribe narcotics, first of all by the drug reps, secondly by their hospitals and practices based on patient satisfaction ratings.”

Puts a lot of trust in the medial profession when educated, licensed, and recognized people in a profession are willing to prescribe life threatening drugs based not upon their integrity or concern for their patients but upon outside sources. Remember, the patients can’t get them legally without the doctor’s script. But I guess you summed it up by saying: “The more opiates prescribed, the more the patients were satisfied.” So it goes there to whose the final authority on the scripts if satisfaction of the patient takes precedence over the practice of health care. The developing company didn’t write the scripts. And it is the responsibility of the doctor to know his patient before he diagnoses anything, the pharma company will never even know the patient. So that’s why they carry malpractice insurance.

I used to oversee facilities for the military that sold alcohol myself and am well aware of dramshop. But just like the use of any drug, it is supposed to be the responsibility of the user to not abuse it, first. Does being stupid by taking a drug that can be a problem, knowingly, not asking the docs that prescribed it, take the responsibility away from either of them?

And opiod drugs are well advertised as having “baggage” with their use. So, the FDA, the AMA, the sales reps, and the doctors all know it. And the only one that can legally give it out is the doctors.

So, let’s face it, the people get screwed by the doctors, or hospitals being careless, and a patient ODs or gets hooked and they want to sue the company that made the stuff under the direction of three different organizations to make it and years of published study to do so? They are suing the group that has money to give and looking for a way to cover their own stupidity and that of the doctors or hospitals that played “feel good.”

Bad part is that according to the below article, and part of what I used here, is a good timeline of the use of these drugs and their approval rating by who:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK458654/

So when you get down to it, the wrong people are being blamed. McDonalds poured the coffee, put it in a cup that said hot, be careful, and the woman stupidly spilled it on herself while driving and sued them. Person buys gun, accidentally (or stupidly) kills family, sues gun manufacturer. Person goes to a doctor trusting the use of approved drugs, gets hurt, and sues the makers.

See a pattern here of misdirection? It’s pretty plain I think. I have been wary of drugs for many years as I take many of them for my health problems. And I have spoken in youth sports assemblies about pain killers and steroids. So I have been involved a long time. But suing the maker is not the right answer. It’s a way to pass blame on to someone with money to get. Just another “feel good.”

Sorry for the length, but you’re the one that said it was complex. You are right there.

rwood


66 posted on 04/30/2019 9:34:19 AM PDT by Redwood71
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I don’t understand what you are ranting about—I said I agree that people need pain meds. Just because they don’t work on me doesn’t mean they don’t work on others.

I said it was a problem because I do child welfare work and there are lots of parents who are addicted.

Maybe you meant to rant at someone else?


67 posted on 04/30/2019 11:18:50 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Redwood71

100%


68 posted on 04/30/2019 3:50:55 PM PDT by Chode ( WeÂ’re America, Bitch!)
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To: GailA

well that’s what i mean Gail- there for now is a very legitimate need for opioids- but the way the gov is attacking it right now- many people are really gonna suffer- many being driven to suicide even- people making laws barring opioids have never had to endure crippling pain themselves- so they haven’t got a clue how debilitating, and how life altering for the worse it can be- I don’t know if they are heartless, cruel, or just plain ignorant- but for many people- addiction doesn’t matter- pain relief is the only thing they can think of- it’s a tradeoff for sure- but if there is no hope for pain cure- then many folks in severe chronic pain will choose pain relief even if it could mean addiction because the pain is so bad that without help- they are forced to take drastic measures to stop the pain-


69 posted on 04/30/2019 7:57:55 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: yldstrk
I wasn't ranting I was stating facts.

I said it was a problem because I do child welfare work and there are lots of parents who are addicted.

Just because you see them in your work doesn't mean there is an addict at every child's home.

People like you think you're always right and parents everywhere suck but you.
70 posted on 05/01/2019 6:29:11 PM PDT by ssfromla
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