Posted on 04/27/2019 9:27:18 AM PDT by jazusamo
Just FYI, FCEVs don’t “burn” hydrogen. The hydrogen is used in a fuel cell to generate electricity, powering the electric motors. **Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles are electric vehicles.** They fuel up like gasoline or diesel cars at a fuel station in about the same amount of time - just a few minutes.
Of the electric vehicles, hydrogen fuel cell vehicles most closely match or exceed use patterns of current internal combustion vehicles. There is a big difference between a Fuel Cell Electric Vehicle and a Battery Electric Vehicle.
The Hindenburg wouldn’t have burned if the idiots didn’t coat the entire thing with a compound very close to thermite, an explosive.
The hydrogen was not the initial cause of ignition.
Except the vehicles being banned produced *more* emissions than gas cars because VW decided to cheat and lie about emissions. Every other diesel maker met the emissions standards but VW. VW’s are the only ones being banned at the current time. Mercedes, BMW, GM, Ford - everyone else with passenger class diesels are just fine to make them or import them.
You might want to look into the circumstances around VW’s Dieselghazi - the pollutants the lying, cheating VWs were putting out is not something debatable like CO2 but an actual health hazard that can be demonstrated in any gas lab on the planet.
Back when all this started, I had been wondering how VW had been able to meet the 09-on diesel emissions restrictions with so few changes to their diesel engines, no significant power penalty and most importantly no urea injection system. All the more so since Navistar and Cummins had gigantic problems meeting the requirements without urea injection and both eventually gave up. It turns out that VAG (Volkswagen Auto Geschellshaft) didn’t, not really - they just faked it.
VW ran a series of ads in 2014 and 2015 about their “zuperior engineerink” that they were so proudly touting as producing cleaner diesels without the use of urea injection when Cummins and International/Navistar were unable to do so even with billions of dollars thrown at the problem, so much so that Navistar almost went out of business trying. VW’s engineering turned out to be ‘we used a Game Shark on the tests.’
The pollution that these VW diesels were spewing was oxides of nitrogen. When combined with UV from sunlight, it becomes visible, caustic photochemical smog and causes detectable lung damage.
Ford might do the same thing : )
Unlikely. If you didn’t know, Ford is getting out of the car (as in sedans/wagons/hatchback) business in the US. The only cars they will continue to sell are the Mustang and the Ecosport. Everything else will be a truck, SUV or crossover. No more sedans.
Yup,I knew that.But unless I'm mistaken that's where the similarities end.
You are mistaken. The major differences between a battery electric vehicle and a fuel cell electric vehicle are that the FCEV has a hydrogen fuel cell and filler replacing the BEV’s battery pack and charge point, and the FCEV generally does not have electrical regenerative braking systems on each wheel (as you can’t use an electrical charge to refuel the FCEV, obviously). Otherwise, the running gear/drivetrain is the same. You can actually swap an FCEV’s fuel cell and filler out for a same-physical-size battery pack and charge point and the car will run the same aside from reduced range.
Hydrogen FCEVs are *not* to be confused with internal combustion vehicles that use hydrogen as a fuel, like the BMW Hydrogen7. Hydrogen FCEVs use hydrogen in a fuel cell that generates electricity through a solid state process, not an engine.
Hydrogen vehicles are electric vehicles. Hydrogen is merely a form of storage, such as a battery.
And greedy corporations do not need tax dodging H1Bs either... and yet they are rolling out regularly. Anybody but Americans. Think of the billions they have avoided... want to build a wall or two? Make corporations live by the same tax rules we do
I like the anti-perspective rendition of the Plant....
My two, 15 yr old [700 mi range at 80 mph], m/t Turbo Diesels are fading without adequate replacement candidates much less a 2x improvement in mileage that the the Islamic Hussein said I should seek out.
Thanks jazusamo. I wholeheartedly agree. And if there's a rebate available, I'll wholeheartedly grab every cent of it.
Paying for someone else’s wants is NOT charity unless it is voluntary. Robbing someone and then giving part of the plunder to the less productive to buy their votes is simply theft not charity
Our non-profit tax deductable crap is worse... Elites throw big parties for their own benefit that toss a few bucks to charity and write the whole thing off...
It’s time to STOP giving ‘elites’ tax benefits they don’t need... on every level... electric cars, balls, stupid ‘fashion show’ etc etc... if a charity is worth giving to it’s worth NOT taking a deduction.
Our non-profit tax deductable crap is worse... Elites throw big parties for their own benefit then toss a few bucks to a charity and write the whole thing off...
That’s wrong.
It’s time to STOP giving ‘elites’ tax benefits they don’t need... on every level... electric cars, balls, stupid ‘fashion show’ etc etc... if a charity is worth giving to it’s worth giving to without taking a deduction.
Speaking of which - https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2018/05/05/white-house-correspondents-association-exposed-regularly-spends-85-whcd-revenue-annual-party-not-scholarships/
Bump!
Add to the 'costs'- the tax write offs - trips by by Hollywood 'stars', company hospitality groups courting the press, DC lobbyist, etc and you'll see the middle class and working class are subsidizing the damn 'elites' and their grand parties and balls.
Rumor is the piddlin amount the WHCD group tosses to the kids has GONE UP in recent years... meaning it use to be nothing, crap, nadda, a damn excuse to rip off taxpayers and transfer OUR middle class money to PAY for their damn parties.
Maybe we can bribe some of our ‘public servants’ to allow us to ‘write off’ our kid’s weddings and events... by giving fifty bucks to some local charity... AND we can demand all our wedding guests be allowed to deduct travel and lodging to our ‘events’ from their taxes.
Yep, it’s time for us to offer the kind of bribes the big boys are using. Eff the press...
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