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To: Olog-hai
Interesting exercise in opinion.

So, now I am supposed to believe that the words of the Founders who said what the Constitution meant when they ratified it meant nothing, but were only their "opinions?" The end result of your logic leads to the Living Constitution where politicians can alter interpretation of the Constitution to have it mean what they want it to. It may be your way of interpreting history, but it is not mine.

99 posted on 04/27/2019 7:02:15 PM PDT by rustbucket
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To: rustbucket
What made it into the Constitution is not because of the dissembling between the Founding Fathers but what they agreed upon. And there is no secession clause; the Tenth Amendment does not substitute for same. There are clauses in the Constitution having to do with rebellion and suchlike, however. The opinions I were referencing primarily, anyway, were yours.

The only constitutions I have seen with secession clauses are those of leftist governments.
To every Union Republic is reserved the right freely to secede from the USSR.

— 1936 USSR constitution, Article 17

Each Union Republic shall retain the right freely to secede from the USSR.

— 1977 USSR constitution, Article 71

  1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.

  2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3)[12] of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council [of the European Union], acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.

  3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

  4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.

    A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.

  5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.
— Treaty of Lisbon (de facto European Union constitution), Article 50
So-called “Brexit” shows how much a leftist entity means it when they say one can secede from its union. The US Constitution does not outline a leftist form of union in any way, shape or form.
101 posted on 04/27/2019 7:47:42 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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