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WaPo: How angry pilots got the Navy to stop dismissing UFO sightings
WaPo ^ | Deanna Paul

Posted on 04/25/2019 6:01:33 AM PDT by RoosterRedux

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To: circlecity

I said a NEAR mathematical certainty but even given your 20 requirements for life here doesn’t mean other life in other places is dependent on the same conditions.

If time has taught us anything it is that the more we learn the more we realize how much we have to learn.


21 posted on 04/25/2019 6:51:46 AM PDT by billyboy15
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To: circlecity

Some people set every factor in the Drake equation to zero. It certainly simplifies the calculation.

Of course, if they all really were zero we wouldn’t be here either...


22 posted on 04/25/2019 6:51:49 AM PDT by null and void (The press is always lying. When they aren't actively lying, they are actively concealing the truth.)
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To: billyboy15
No one knows how many planets there are in the Universe but in order to convey a sense of the enormity of the Universe it has been suggested the number of stars (suns) in the Universe surpass the number of grains of sand on every beach on Earth.

Who counted 'em???

23 posted on 04/25/2019 6:53:01 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: null and void
Surely less malevolent than humans, after millennia of sightings, we're still here....

That assumes the goal of their malevolence is our "removal." Perhaps their goal is the "corruption" of our souls...not our "extermination."

24 posted on 04/25/2019 6:53:48 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: billyboy15
If God created man gave us this world to inhabit, why did he create those uncounted gazillion stars and planets? Where does it say God created man in only one place?

The bible.

25 posted on 04/25/2019 6:56:20 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Prov 24: Do not fret because of evildoers. Do not associate with those given to change.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Russia! Russia! Russia!


26 posted on 04/25/2019 7:00:53 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: RoosterRedux

“Recently, unidentified aircraft have entered military-designated airspace as often as multiple times per month.”

Russians, Chinese, Norks, Iranians, and curious geeks.
There. Solved it without having to resort to ETs.


27 posted on 04/25/2019 7:03:01 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("...that all the donkeys were dead. I know nothing as to the fate of the less valuable animals.")
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To: VanShuyten

Unknown vehicles clocked at airspeeds estimated to be greater than 15,000 kph (in the case of the USS NimitzPrinceton case). Let’s hope that’s not the Chinese or Russians.


28 posted on 04/25/2019 7:06:31 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: Psalm 73

Have never heard the term, “extra dimensional”, before. And you think they’re malevolent. Would that include demonic entities?


29 posted on 04/25/2019 7:06:54 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: VanShuyten

USS Nimitz/USSPrinceton case


30 posted on 04/25/2019 7:07:20 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: Iscool

“Who counted ‘em???”

Anyone play the universe exploration video game “No Man’s Sky”? Maybe ‘Player Unknown’ knows.

Back to work.


31 posted on 04/25/2019 7:07:28 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: allendale
Also Einstein's calculations were to explain experimental data.
The Michelson-Morley experiment was only done on earth.

IF the matter forming the planets was swept together by vortexes of aether, one could reasonably expect that over a billion years or so the rotating mass and the swirling aether would drag each other to the same velocity.

Any attempt to measure the speed of light relative to that differential velocity (between the moving surface of the earth and the static frame of an immovable aether) would fail as the moving mass and the aether would have long since equilibrated to the same velocity.

Same argument for the earth’s motion about the sun, and the sun’s motion relative to the center of the galaxy. We’re all being swept along with the flow of the aether.

Einstein envisioned space as being warped into gravitational wells. These are always drawn as if they are simple depressions in a perfect grid of graph paper.

Suppose those wells are not simple dimples, but are swirling vortexes of aether. Like a whirlpool on the surface of water, they’d tend to accumulate any matter floating on the surface, and that matter would tend to acquire the same spin as the surface of the whirlpool.

Easy enough to test. Do the the Michelson-Morley experiment on a cubesat or deep space probe cutting across the flow of the aether...

IOW, the results could have been every bit as reliable as wind velocity measurements taken from a balloon freely floating in the hurricane.

Faulty data, faulty explanation...

32 posted on 04/25/2019 7:16:14 AM PDT by null and void (The press is always lying. When they aren't actively lying, they are actively concealing the truth.)
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To: RoosterRedux

About a million yrs ago,in the mid 70s,I was in a civil engineering squadron at a SAC base in North Dakota.I had to drive around the base and fix the toilets and sinks etc.Often I would go to the homes of bird Colonels and above who would tell me about UFOs that were observed above missile silos. They would attempt to intercept them but the things would be gone at impossible speeds


33 posted on 04/25/2019 7:18:50 AM PDT by Paddyboy (Roma Omnia Vincit)
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To: RoosterRedux

About a million yrs ago,in the mid 70s,I was in a civil engineering squadron at a SAC base in North Dakota.I had to drive around the base and fix the toilets and sinks etc.Often I would go to the homes of bird Colonels and above who would tell me about UFOs that were observed above missile silos. They would attempt to intercept them but the things would be gone at impossible speeds


34 posted on 04/25/2019 7:18:54 AM PDT by Paddyboy (Roma Omnia Vincit)
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To: circlecity

Interesting that you decry someone’s assertion with another that’s totally bogus, i.e., “The odds that even 10 of these factors would randomly occur on any other planet is a number larger than every grain of sand on earth times 10 to the 20th power.”

Let’s start with the “20 factors” you claim necessary; what are they? How did you calculate the number of grains of sand on Earth (and you’re really going to have to show your work on this one)? Then, by what method did you arrive at your statistical analysis claiming that 1/n sub s (number of sand grains on Earth)*10^20 represents the likelihood of only half of the factors (not) identified would be present?


35 posted on 04/25/2019 7:19:35 AM PDT by stormer
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To: circlecity; billyboy15
I have no idea why that would be a mathematical certainty. It's been shown there are over 20 very finely tuned environmental factors (temperature, gravitational pull, radiation levels, etc.) necessary for life here.

And that's just to support life. There is zero change if life spontaneously springing into existence in any imagined environment.

36 posted on 04/25/2019 7:21:24 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Prov 24: Do not fret because of evildoers. Do not associate with those given to change.)
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To: Iscool

Archimedes, The Sand Reckoner


37 posted on 04/25/2019 7:23:39 AM PDT by null and void (The press is always lying. When they aren't actively lying, they are actively concealing the truth.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Fair point!


38 posted on 04/25/2019 7:24:42 AM PDT by null and void (The press is always lying. When they aren't actively lying, they are actively concealing the truth.)
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To: billyboy15
Even taking religion out of the argument it is as near a mathematical certainty imagineable life exists in other places other than our planet.

Without God actually creating the right conditions somewhere else the odds are infinitesimal and in fact if it were anything else we would say zero. The universe itself has a zero percent chance of occurring on it's own to support any life. Science had to latch on to a multi-verse theory to explain it.

39 posted on 04/25/2019 7:24:53 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: neodad

Of course you know that it’s not just limited to the Navy. Most of Corporate America is afflicted similarly. Just look at Sears.


40 posted on 04/25/2019 7:25:15 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (All I know is The I read in the papers.)
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