Posted on 03/22/2019 4:29:38 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
Nestoros said the CMP regularly raised the matter of a mass grave in Adana. He added that they also knew of a mass grave in the area of Kyrenia’s Botanical Gardens from information provided by a Greek Cypriot survivor. Plus, the CMP had testimony that bodies had been collected in the area.
Under the headline “Buried Alive,” Afrika reported on Thursday that Greek Cypriots taken prisoner were brutally murdered and buried near a river.
The information came from a man who claimed he was at the Kyrenia harbour working when he overheard two Turkish soldiers talking about it. At the time, there were Greek Cypriot prisoners there awaiting their transfer to Turkey.
“If we take them to Adana too, we will do what we did to the others,” one of the soldiers said. “We took the others, tied their arms and legs and buried them alive near a river there; we didn’t waste any bullets. Because we buried them on the riverbank, the river will carry them away with the passage of time and no trace will be found.”
The unnamed eye witness was around 18 at the time and, along with other people, he had been asked by the Turkish army to pour concrete on the road to the harbour for better access.
He said Greek Cypriot prisoners were lined up there and the workers were told not to look at them.
The report, signed by Afrika editor Sener Levent, also claimed that the biggest mass grave was located in the yard of the Apostolos Varnavas church.
Levent suggested that Turkish Cypriot journalist Kutlu Adali was assassinated in 1996 because he was looking into the matter.
After the creation of the CMP in the early 90s, Levent said, Turkey sought to eliminate all traces of mass graves in Cyprus..
(Excerpt) Read more at cyprus-mail.com ...
I’m told he pronounces his name.
Er do Wan
It looks like Er Dog an to me.
I knew much more about Landslide Lyndon than most people.
Got an early education from a family friend who was an Asst. AG in Texas. He served under 7-8 administrations. He loathed Lyndon. Every time he came to town to see his father (who was a local doctor and a state representative) he would stop at my grandfather’s home (a congregation point for many) and have a shot of whiskey and tell my grandfather everything that was going on in Austin.
Had another relative in Whittier CA who was a die hard Nixon Fan.
What you wrote about Johnson would fit his lack of character and his personality well. I’m not in a position to know if what you said was really something LBJ said.
There are tales and then there are tall tales and then there is conspiracy theory. Some of them are true. Not all.
The article says that Turkey dug them up and erased the evidence when it looked likely to be exposed.
It would be easy for me to believe that statement. Based upon what I’ve seen and read about Turkey.
For a few years, I’ve had very good teachers about Turk atrocities. To Greeks, Armenians, Jews, Alevi’s, Kurds, Syriac Christians and Ezidi. Multiple well read people helped me understand how bad it is. Some of them have been threatened and others have had their families in Turkey threatened to silence the criticism.
The threats are very real.
10’s of thousands of people are on an arrest warrant because of things said on Twitter or written for newspapers outside Turkey.
Turkey is a very evil place under Erdogan.
Am glad you approve.
Yes. The Armenians called it the Great Evil!
Metz Yeghérn
http://www.armeniapedia.org/wiki/Medz_Yeghern
Turkey rejects Trump interpretation of Armenian genocide
https://ahvalnews.com/us-turkey/turkey-rejects-trump-interpretation-armenian-genocide
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Hamidian (Armenian) Massacres (remembered on 100th Anniversary of death of Sultan Abdul Hamid II)
http://www.armenian-genocide.org/hamidian.html The Sultan who ordered the first of the Great Massacres leading up to the Metz Yeghérn (“The Great Evil”), the Armenian Genocide.
It was not that I approved or disapproved. It was that I learned something from it.
while the dictatorship was in power
I remember seeing a movie, “Z” about a set up
assassination from that time.
Haven’t seen it again.
OK, I accept that.
I became a history student in 1976. That was 6 years after I graduated from College.
Read a book by Anthony Brown, “The Body Guard of Lies” Published in 1976 because of the declassification of Purple and Enigma sig/intel.
Spent about 9 years studying that period and the technology of it. Then it branched out into other areas.
About the same time I got an eye full of both sides of the Contra affair. I saw the surrogates of the Sandanista’s and the people who were fighting them. Both were here in the US where I lived in NM. It was an education.
Keep in mind that after the Armistice in 1918 Greece went on a tear to seize Turkish territory; the Western allies had ended their war with Turkey and taken much of their territory - then let them defend the rest against the Greeks. They did this very successfully, kicking the snot out of the Greeks; the Allies were indifferent because Greece was taking territory that either hadn’t been included in any deals or had been promised to other Allies (in the case of Smyrna, that was to go to Italy). The Turks were helped by the new USSR, and the Allied intervention in Russia had already failed; they didn’t want to create allies for the communists.
If I could turn back time I’d rather have Greeks there than Turks, but that isn’t going to happen. For the Allies, their treaties with the Turks denied Germany an ally in WWII, and gained an ally for us in the Korean War.
I’m sure that not all Turks are evil, but it is clear that more than 1/2 of the population is sucked into Erdogan’s Hitler impersonation. (I’m very serious about this)
Kemal (Attaturk) was an atheist, he despised what we now call Islamists. His party, the CHP (Kemalist) took care of the Islamist zellots and had frequent coups to assure they never took power. (since end of WWI)
Being Turk was never a racial thing, it is and was a cultural thing. They promote it as racial and it has some components of it, but they hide identity of many who are Jewish, Armenian, Kurd, Ezidi or Christian of any flavor; as long as they don’t threaten their Deep State or the illusion of being Turk.
There are Kurds who support them. Sad but true. I’ve been approached by at least 2 of them here in the US wanting to meet with me. No Sale. I was able to determine that both of them were pro Turk, and it was deceptive. Had a writer friend who grew up in Turkey who wrote the truth about the situation, that suddenly disappeared from Twitter. I’ve had no contact since. Her Twitter account was assumed by a Turk and all of the contacts were hidden. I’m certain that they threatened harming family in Turkey. Turk MiT is operating in many countries. In France they killed 3 Kurdish women who spoke against them. It was in the news globally, but not in US press.
The leaders of most of the countries in the world know all this, they simply choose to ignore it.
NATO membership should have requirements.
you wrote:
“For the Allies, their treaties with the Turks denied Germany an ally in WWII, and gained an ally for us in the Korean War.”
Totally correct. Now what does that do for US? Turkey is NOT an ALLY in any form under Erdogan. Yes, some Kurds are leftists, some extreme leftists. Some are Christian and most of the N. Syrian Kurds defended the Christians there at their own peril. One NGO on the ground in Syria has said there have been 21,000 coversions to Christianity in N. Syria in the past 4 years. It may be understated.
Mattis was right, the ME is an extremely complex place.
I guess I'll just retreat to my metaphorical rocking chair and mumble to myself in between occasional bouts of yelling at the kids to get off my lawn. -_-
Most Kurds are Muslims; they are just used by the West as jab in the eye of countries they inhabit that we don’t like. The US hasn’t been an ally to many of our former allies after the Cold War ended; we allowed the military leaders we supported around the world to be deposed (Mobutu in Zaire), jailed (Noriega), or killed (Saddam, Doe in Liberia). Even as recently as the Obamunist regime we deserted allies; after removing Qaddafi from the “axis of evil” list we watched him die.
I’m sure Turkey feels we’ve been much less of a friend once the Cold War ended...
You said:
“Most Kurds are Muslims”
In N. Syria I do not believe that to be true.
You said:
“I’m sure Turkey feels we’ve been much less of a friend once the Cold War ended...”
That may be true, but Turkey was never a friend of the USA, Never. And I’m not sure how good an ally they ever were. They were and are anti Communist, but they are ruled by a Totalitarian Dictator now.
I’m not into the Lefts definitions of Right and Left entities. They are all made up crap. In the end Totalitarianism is the enemy and it supports great evil.
In Iraq, the Kurds are tribal and they probably are largely Muslim. In Iran Kurds may be majority Muslim, but many only say they are Muslim because they are punished if they say otherwise by the Mullahs.
Syria is different. Many are atheist, growing number are Christian. There were many Christians in N. Syria before ISIS, they were quiet to stay alive. Syriac and others. There have always been Christians in the Mosul area in Iraq, the Ninevah plains region. They are persecuted by Baghdad and somewhat by Barzani. Not sure how Talibani treats them. Normally Talibani is less supportive of Turkey than Barzani. That is because of oil deals.
Government is Baghdad is very corrupt and very influenced by Iran now. Government in Tehran is pure insane Mullah. Government in Damascus is corrupt, somewhat Muslim but considered heretic by most Muslim.
No, we much not just wait.
We must continue to expose em when possible.
We must oppose them at he polls at every opportunity.
We must prepare for the unthinkable.
We must pray that the unthinkable never happens.
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For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. (Ephesians 6:12-13 [KJV])
Honestly you should look into that; I’ve never read there is any noticeable population of Kurdish Christians. One of the reasons Turkey opposed the concept of “Kurdistan” for so long is they maintain Kurds are simply Turks from a different wave of westward migration than the Ottomans. I won’t assume that is true, but they had no religious strife with them.
Many of the Christians in the Middle East aren’t Turkish, Kurdish, Persian, or even Arabic (though I suspect the last group has the most Christians); many are the descendants of people who lived there before the birth of Mohammed and subsequent emergence of Islam from the Arabian peninsula. Egypt, for instance, has a Coptic Christian population that pre-dates the Arabic invasion - and those people are the descendants of the Old Testament Pharaoh. Others are descendants of the Greeks and Western Crusader kingdoms that replaced them before and during the Crusades.
Islam spread by conquest. Kurds are not Turks (as in blood). There are people who say the are Turkish (nation) but Kurdish by blood.
Kurds tell me that all Kurds are decendants of the Ezidi. All came for Zoroastroism roots.
Turks are from Mongul roots they neither are Arabs.
Christians were in Iraq, Turkey and Syria prior to the Ottoman Empire.
You’ve read about Pauls conversion on the road to Damascus. It is still Damascus.
The plains of Ninevah in Iraq have some Christians (most left during ISIS, many have not come back, but many converts have filled their place. Those Christians were some of the earliest.
In N. Syria are communities who speak Aramaic (the same dialect of Aramaic as Jesus spoke). They were threatened by extinction during ISIS. Kurd did protect Christians in Iraq and in Syria. FACT.
I don’t doubt Kurds protected Christians in some areas; they need their Christian brethren in the West to support and fund their cause. Kurds are a Muslim people, generally moderate compared to the crazies, who understand their only hope of independence is with Western intervention. The countries in which they live will never give up the territory voluntarily; they’ve already made that clear, and Turkey has been fighting in eastern Turkey for decades to prevent that.
The entire Holy Land was populated with Christians prior to the arrival of the Turks; the Turks themselves were the second wave of Muslims after the original Arab invasion (the Muslim Arabs themselves were defeated by the Turks).
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