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We Are Going To Lose The Coming War With China
Townhall.com ^ | March 21, 2019 | Kurt Schlichter

Posted on 03/21/2019 3:31:52 AM PDT by Kaslin

Nations famously tend to always try to fight the last war, and what America is preparing to do today with the newly assertive China is no exception. The problem is our last war was against primitive religious fanatics in the Middle East and China is an emerging superpower with approaching-peer level conventional capabilities and an actual strategy for contesting the United States in all the potential battlespaces – land, sea, air, space and cyber. America is simply not ready for the Pacific war to come. We’re likely to lose.

In Desert Storm, Saddam Hussein was dumb enough to choose to face a U.S. military that was ready to fight its last war. That last war was the Cold War, where the Americans were prepared to fight a Soviet-equipped conscript army using Soviet tactics. And Saddam, genius that he was, decided to face America and its allies with a Soviet-equipped conscript army using Soviet tactics, except fractionally as effective as the Russians. It went poorly. I know – I was there at the VII Corps main command post as his entire army was annihilated in 100 hours.

Chances are that the Chinese will not choose to fight our strengths. In fact, those chances total approximately 100%.

It’s called “asymmetrical warfare” in English. What it’s called in Chinese I have no idea, but Sun Tzu wrote about it. Don’t fight the enemy’s strength; fight his weakness. Strike where he is not. Spread confusion about your intentions; force him to lash out. It’s all there in The Art of War; it’s just not clear anyone forming our current American military strategy has read it. Maybe they would if we labeled it “Third World” literature and said checking it out would check a diversity box for promotion.

We seem intent on fighting not the enemy we face but the enemy we want to face. This is a rookie mistake. And we’ve built our strategy around that error. Take aircraft carriers. I have a sentimental attachment to those potent floating fortresses – the Schlichters are usually Navy officers and I’m the random green sheep who went Army. There was a picture of my dad’s carrier (the U.S.S. Lake Champlain) hanging in my house as a kid. I love them – but in 2019 they’re a trap.

We’re hanging our whole maritime strategy in the Pacific Ocean around a few of these big, super-expensive iron airfields. If a carrier battle group (a carrier rolls with a posse like an old school rapper) gets within aircraft flight range of an enemy, then the enemy will have a bad day. So, what’s the super-obvious counter to our carrier strategy? Well, how about a bunch of relatively cheap missiles with a longer range than the carrier’s aircraft? And – surprise – what are the Chinese doing? Building a bunch of hypersonic and ballistic anti-ship missiles to pummel our flattops long before the F-35s and F-18s can reach the Chinese mainland. We know this because the Chinese are telling us they intend to do it, with the intent of neutering our combat power and breaking our will to fight by causing thousands of casualties in one fell swoop.

The vulnerability of our carriers is no surprise; the Navy has been warned about it for years. There are a number of ideas out there to address the issue, but the Navy resists. One good one is to replace the limited numbers of (again) super-expensive, short-range manned aircraft with a bunch more long range drones. Except that means the Naval aviation community would have to admit the Top Gun era is in the past, and that’s too hard. So they buy a bunch of pricy, shiny manned fighters that can’t get the job done.

Another mistake is over-prioritizing quality over quantity, which is the same mistake the Nazis made with their tanks. The Wehrmacht had the greatest tanks in the world – all top notch. Really good tanks. Tank-to-tank, they were the best – the dreaded Tiger had an 11.5-to-1 kill ratio. The Americans and Russians had merely decent tanks, just multiples more of them. Quantity has a quality all its own. Right now, America has something like 280 ships. We’ll have about 326 by 2023. That’s to cover the entire world. We had 6,768 ships when WWII ended in August 1945

>Of course, it would also be nice if the Navy would emphasize seamanship and basic skills again so that it could keep its super-expensive ships from running into other vessels. The U.S.S. Fitzgerald collision not only killed some of our precious sailors, but took out a key weapons platform – 1/280th of our entire fleet! – because its officers failed again and again and because key systems on the ship were out of commission.

This is inexcusable, but it is being excused. The focus of our military has shifted from victory to satisfying the whims of politicians. Here’s a troubling thought – if you go to one of the service branches’ War Colleges and poll the faculty and students about America’s greatest strategic threat, as many as 50% of the respondents will tell you it is “climate change.” That’s not an exaggeration. Our military is supposed to be dealing with the Chinese military and its brain trust is obsessing about the weather in 100 years.

The Chinese are going to continue dumping exponentially more carbon than America into the air and preparing to take us down while we focus on this kind of frivolous nonsense. Did you know the Chinese are pillaging our tech here in America, while our intelligence community’s incompetence led to our spy networks in China being rolled up? Probably not – these are one-day stories because the elite in DC and the media are busy trying to push the guy who won the last election out of office.

Here’s how the Chinese win. First, they take out our satellites. You know the GPS location service on your phone? Satellites, which are easy to hit. Say “bye-bye” to much of the ability of our precision weapons to find their targets. Also up for destruction are the communications satellites we rely on to coordinate our operations. And then there is the Chinese cyberattack, not only on our military systems but on systems here at home that control civilian power, water and other logistics. A U.S military with no comms and no computers is essentially the Post Office with worse service. An America with a ruined internet is Somalia.

Then they hit our land bases on Guam, Okinawa and elsewhere with a blizzard of missiles, knocking them out and annihilating our aircraft on the ground. Maybe we could respond with B-2s flying from the continental United States. We have 19 whole combat-capable aircraft, assuming a 100% operational readiness rate, which is just not a thing. We might even take out a few missile batteries on the Chinese coast. We won’t know the difference though. As for our carriers, if they come to play, they are likely going to get sunk, and if they stay out of the fight, they are merely useless – assuming quiet diesel subs do not find and sink them.

This is not a surprise. We play wargames against the Chinese all the time, and we lose.

Much of this seems to be picking on the Navy, but that’s only because the Navy would take the lead in a fight against the Chinses in the Pacific. The other branches have similar issues with strategy, leadership and equipment. So, what is the answer? The answer may well be to reframe the question – instead of determining our objectives and then failing to provide the capabilities to achieve them, maybe we need to decide what capabilities we are willing to provide and form our strategic objectives to meet those realities. Moreover, we need to get it through our heads that no one is going to be as dumb as Saddam was and conveniently fight us the way we want to be fought. We need a complete strategic mindset revolution, one that moves from a few super-expensive systems to many affordable ones. We need to say good-bye to legacies of the 20th century, like mostly manned combat aircraft and a few huge carrier battle groups. We need to prepare to defeat the enemy we actually face, not the enemy we want to face.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: china; dnctalkingpoint; dnctalkingpoints; kurtschlichter; mediawingofthednc; nevertrump; nevertrumper; nevertrumpers; partisanmediashills; presstitutes; schlichter; smearmachine
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To: nathanbedford

So how long were you in the Navy? I spent many years learning and practicing the art of ASW. How about you?


81 posted on 03/21/2019 6:31:22 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: nathanbedford

Did you know that naval warfare is game of probability, statistics and risk management?


82 posted on 03/21/2019 6:34:02 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Agreed. He conveniently-ignores Sun Tzu’s maxim, “The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.”

That battle has been ongoing for decades.


83 posted on 03/21/2019 6:51:12 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: Kaslin

A very broad subject indeed. I would pose the question: What was the last war that China or Russia fought in where their support lines for sustaining operations stretched halfway around the globe? It is one thing to plan for the next war, but it’s something entirely different to actually carry it out. Also, it will depend greatly on where the war will be carried out, and to what level it is escalated.

Our Navy’s purpose is to defend the sea lanes for our mercantile fleets, and by extension, American citizens in the mercantile industries so that they can conduct trade around the world without being molested. Why is this necessary? It is necessary because as history has demonstrated, somebody always tries to interrupt the sea lanes or American prosperity with belligerence.
Why didn’t Russia send its convoys to the U.S. for supplies during WW2? Recently, China has deployed some of her naval units to the Indian Ocean to protect her shipping interests. Our navy and their navy, with the same goals seemed to cooperate nicely in close proximity to each other. German U-boats nearly strangled the life out of Great Britain in the WW2… it took great naval power along with some intelligence victories to overcome that. Whose navies managed that feat? That’s what navies are for. Currently, China and Russia have little to fear from interdiction of the sea lanes. To my knowledge, we’re not threatening to shut them off from the trade routes around the globe; if anything, we’re encouraging them to trade.

With the vast amounts of money we’re wasting with illegal immigration at the border, we could easily fund the ultimate in technological innovations to equip our Navy, our entire military force worldwide for that matter, and they would be able to deal with just about any contingency that could arise anywhere in the world. Will that happen? No. We, as a citizenry, do not have our act together at all. We don’t have a citizenry that is invested in national strength or resolve. Khrushchev said we’d fall from within. That would be on us for being so stupid.

Unless the coming war with China or Russia is conducted on their home turf close to their support structure, I’m not going to lose too much sleep over this.


84 posted on 03/21/2019 7:05:25 AM PDT by Home-of-the-lazy-dog ("Leftists will stand before you and cut off their own head just to prove that they'll do it!")
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To: Kaslin

85 posted on 03/21/2019 7:27:22 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie

I actually bought that book just to see what it postulated ...


86 posted on 03/21/2019 7:32:53 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Orchides Forum Trahite - Cordes Et Mentes Veniant)
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To: nathanbedford

The biggest issue about the CVNs is, “how would we respond if/when several of them are sunk in the open ocean in a bolt-from-the blue attack that resulted in zero damage to onshore installations and zero civilian casualties?”

It’s a serious issue. The people here who answer that we would promptly kill tens of millions of Chinese civilians are, I believe, incorrect.


87 posted on 03/21/2019 7:34:03 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Freedom is the freedom to say that 2+2 = 4)
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To: servantboy777
Wanna cut the head off the snake...check your labels

If it were necessary for the Chinese masses to eat grass for a century in order to destroy the USA, do you doubt that the Politburo would hesitate?

88 posted on 03/21/2019 7:36:06 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Freedom is the freedom to say that 2+2 = 4)
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To: central_va
So how would they "sink" a carrier?

I would use low-yield nuclear weapons from orbit.

89 posted on 03/21/2019 7:37:54 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Freedom is the freedom to say that 2+2 = 4)
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To: Kaslin

So, like, what is supposed to be happening? Does the author anticipate that China is going to invade us? Seriously? Or are we launching at them?


90 posted on 03/21/2019 8:37:49 AM PDT by Persevero (Desmond is not -Amazing- Desmond is -Abused-)
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To: Kaslin

Usually I like Kurt Schlickter but he’s really drinking the kool aid on this one.


91 posted on 03/21/2019 8:39:37 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: central_va

War will come during a global recession/depression, not before.


92 posted on 03/21/2019 10:28:47 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Alberta's Child

Me: Do you think we will be able to fight a war with China entirely on our terms?

You: “Then we won’t fight the war at all.”

Me: It must be nice, living in Fairy-Tale-Land. Half-price sale on my unicorns this weekend! Stock up!


93 posted on 03/21/2019 10:31:06 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Vermont Lt

Like Obama said - if we get hit with nukes, we can just absorb it and move on ... the txxd.


94 posted on 03/21/2019 11:09:52 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: marktwain

Not only did Clinton sell every military secret he could lay his mitts on (including the miniaturized Klystron switch need to make a thermonuclear ICBM warhead), but also allowed the Chinese PLAN to be stationed on US capitol ships during war-games so they could catch up ...


95 posted on 03/21/2019 11:13:31 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: PIF

The Chinese are not going to kill the goose that lays the golden egg. They might try to take out some competitors but we are their cash cow.
Large armies are expensive to maintain. if China is going to fight anyone, it will be India or Vietnam. I’m surprise they haven’t turn Somalia into a vassal state.


96 posted on 03/21/2019 11:18:46 AM PDT by AppyPappy (How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I believe when we are gaming against any other power - including the Israelis, we lose. But, that does not take into account the parameters of the US war game which is too often rigged to lose - assets not available, assets are forbidden to participate and stuff alone the lines of fighting with both arms in a straight jacket. So take the losing at war games with some salt - lots of it.


97 posted on 03/21/2019 11:21:47 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: AppyPappy
They might try to take out some competitors but we are their cash cow. Large armies are expensive to maintain.

Wow. Chinas long term strategy is world domination and they will damn well war with us when the time is right, when we've off-shored all industry and can't defend ourselves.

98 posted on 03/21/2019 11:22:06 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Rummyfan

Not to mention carriers are incredibly difficult to sink - usually taking a team planting charges at critical points


99 posted on 03/21/2019 11:24:41 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Alas Babylon!

But it isn’t the PLAN... Yet...


Talking to buds at the PLAN? (People’s Liberation Army Navy) :)


100 posted on 03/21/2019 11:28:14 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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