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There’s a Larger Lie Beyond the College Admissions Bribery Case
Time ^ | March 14, 2019 | Bryan Caplan

Posted on 03/15/2019 6:12:15 AM PDT by C19fan

The FBI charged a list of well-heeled parents, including actors Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin, with fraud on March 12. Their alleged goal: to get their kids into top schools, including Yale and Stanford. The public reactions ranged from outrage to cynicism. The outrage: These parents think they can buy their kids anything. The cynicism: These parents could have done the same thing legally by “charitably” funding a new building or two. All this aside, the admissions scandal is an opportunity to separate the lofty mythology of college from the sordid reality. Despite the grand aspirations that students avow on their admission essays, their overriding goal is not enlightenment, but status.

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To: SMARTY

Corruption is inevitable when government money floods the schools. Remove ALL federal money from all schools except for the service academies and the schools will return to being what they are supposed to be. The market will take care of that.


61 posted on 03/15/2019 8:24:00 AM PDT by arthurus (fjk)
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To: bgill

I experienced that. However from what I saw very few hated it here. They primarily used being here as an opportunity to protest against the Shah and screw naïve American coeds.


62 posted on 03/15/2019 8:24:09 AM PDT by Reily
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To: SMARTY

Corruption is inevitable when government money floods the schools. Remove ALL federal money from all schools except for the service academies and at least the private schools will return to being what they are supposed to be. The market will take care of that.


63 posted on 03/15/2019 8:24:40 AM PDT by arthurus (fjkbbb)
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To: C19fan

Wrong!

The little snot nosed kid still needs the grades to be accepted.

If you had a smart kid, a charitable donation can help but the kids still has to have the academics to be admitted.


64 posted on 03/15/2019 8:28:51 AM PDT by TheShaz
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To: C19fan
One student in a class I taught failed to show up for a midterm despite me reminding the students an exam was coming up for several weeks before the exam. He wanted to do a makeover I did not use these words but I told him to ***k Off.

Objecting to the child of a 'liberal elite' could cost a person their job. Liberal thugs have 'ins' with the Administration too... Seems the game's rigged against honest middle-class families - it's a sad state of affairs.

65 posted on 03/15/2019 8:39:35 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrats are attacking Ivanka & Jared ostensibly on security clearances - reality is antisemitism)
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To: wastoute
How I wish they had given that just a little more thought.

I compared our Founder's education to what is being taught today at Harvard. The same education to what they had is today equal to getting a sub-speciality PhD in philosophy called "philology," however without the moral philosophy capstone.

Our Founders were so well educated that half of them could have been addressed as "Dr."

The colonial colleges' goal was to give good preachers and good judges to the colonies. They preferred the Scottish moral philosophy which was beyond excellent. They were taught to understand themselves in relation to God. And being able to understand themselves correctly they could then go on and preach or judge rightly.

So, the correct question should be, "Why can't today's educators duplicate what was taught to our Founders?"

66 posted on 03/15/2019 8:41:06 AM PDT by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys)
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To: Slyfox

I dunno. I think your question was a good question for 20 years ago or so. Today the cow has been gone so long the barn has collapsed.


67 posted on 03/15/2019 8:45:56 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: C19fan

AOC?


68 posted on 03/15/2019 8:58:39 AM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: Liz
How’d she get in? Mom use the pull of campaign bucks?

You don't understand. Money is irrelevant - unless it's an amount that pays for a new building. Offering money to an admissions officer will ruin the chances that the applicant will be admitted.

People with power and name recognition don't need to go to a coach and try to pull strings.

69 posted on 03/15/2019 9:05:59 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: ladyjane

BOL....I think Im beginning to underst and.


70 posted on 03/15/2019 9:07:32 AM PDT by Liz ( Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.)
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To: Liz
Well, let’s find out what she did do.

She didn't have to do anything except to make sure the name Pelosi was on the application. The same would go for anyone with power and positive press clippings.

71 posted on 03/15/2019 9:09:12 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: C19fan

Boy o boy the elites in the media are taking this one seriously! But OTH a coup d’etat against a duly elected President is ignored....


72 posted on 03/15/2019 9:10:33 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

The elites are using this as a distraction. Notice they’re focusing mainly on the one family that supported Trump.


73 posted on 03/15/2019 9:16:11 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: ladyjane

I also think the elites see this as an attack on them and their academic “credentials” are now suspect. So this is serious to them and needs their full attention. Notice the elite judges are setting bail at ridiculously high levels, which I think is pure virtue signalling.


74 posted on 03/15/2019 9:21:11 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: C19fan

If you go to a real university like Cal Berkeley and study chemical engineering you’re going to be surrounded by Chinese nationals Russian nationals and Indians from India and you better study or are you not going to make it

Public universities are much better in this way and that they say hey siink
or swim

Much more alike with the real world is like where nobody gives you anything or does you any favors


75 posted on 03/15/2019 9:32:39 AM PDT by Truthoverpower (The guvmint you get is the Trump winning express !)
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To: Starboard
we'll have to take our skin out of the game I suspect.....get to a point where we avoid all taxes on income or assets. I guess that would mean traveling the back roads in a motor home or moving to another country...

but our choices are decreasing....

76 posted on 03/15/2019 9:34:18 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

My daughter attended USC and the number of applicants versus places in a class is something like 50K apply and only 5K are accepted. She was an Honors and International Baccalaureate student in HS and between her Junior and Senior year in HS she went to UC Davis for a summer semester with a full class load.
Her academic credentials were top flight and she was accepted not by anything I did to help but by her full resume of achievement which had been her hallmark to that point. USC is a private school and well known around the world for the quality of the education you receive and it is not cheap. Are there cracks in the system where people do underhanded things to get their little darling into a prestigious school, Yes.
Your comment about USC is poorly founded, it is a strong school indeed by reputation for academics and sports.

So what?

I attended a High School in Chicago called Lane Tech and it was a selective application school where academics were required to be the best in the city to even apply. If you did not maintain at least a C average by the end of your Sophomore year you had to leave and go to a regular Chicago HS in your district. We were known as the School of Champions and our sports teams had racks of trophies but none of the athletes there got any special treatment. Look it up, there are more graduates with PhD’s from there than any other school in the country. This is how it needs to be, Academic Rigor and a pursuit of excellence at all levels. I did not raise my daughter to be “popular” girl, it starts at home and she graduated with a major and minor degree in 4 years and She did it with her own hard work.

The problem to me is the fundamental change in the K-12 school system which has devolved into Indoctrination versus Education. Common Core and other garbage is meant to help “condition” the students along the way and fundamentals of Phonics and other foundational concepts have gone by the wayside. TO others who talk about Khan academy and others I say Yes, they have a place indeed and are hamstrung in many cases by the State as they have in many cases handed over “Education” to a system outlined in their constitution to provide it. In many cases Charter School funding has to pass through this system to feed the Charter Schools. Khan is as it needs to be a “Private” school along the lines of Parochial and others where parents are willing to pay to get the best education for their children even if they are also paying taxes to support the one present in their state no matter how bad they are.

So in closing and in response to your comment about USC I am proud my daughter went there and she received a great education. And to the football side she also was in the Marching Band and was blessed to go to Australia and other venues as a member, and those experiences cumulatively helped her to be the woman she is today. The alumni organization for that school is global and a degree from USC is a door opener but so is the expectation that the degree means something. So it is no surprise that folks are willing to try and wedge their child into the school and graduate from there. The stature it provides can get you a look, but once there at a company the expectation of performance and your actual skills tells the tale.

Education from bottom to top has to be reclaimed from the insidious system that in plain site is depriving our children of that which they are entitled to allowing them to to become the leaders of the future. And in this writers opinion it is obvious that this is a battlefield chosen by the Left to despoil all who attend with poisonous mindsets that have them coming out “entitled” and not enabled to have success. Life, Liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness is built upon this foundation, and if denied then the results speak for themselves. The Edutocracy in place today must go and fundamentals replace them, and the devil be damned if they whine and stomp their feet it must be changed NOW!


77 posted on 03/15/2019 9:50:48 AM PDT by 100American (Knowledge is knowing how, Wisdom is knowing when)
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To: allendale

Tip of the iceberg. And I suspect most of you already realize that.


78 posted on 03/15/2019 9:51:44 AM PDT by Honest Nigerian
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To: Jaded

Jaded wrote
Bottom line in all of this is another push for free college for anyone who wants it. So we all be equal.


I am not at all sure of what you say there. I think that is what SOME want, but this is more about beating the system. People think, “I don’t care if this or that law is good for the country. The one thing I care about is how does it affect ME, and what can I do for ME if I don’t like that law.”
A Biblical way to refer to this is SIN. Putting yourself ahead at the cost of others is the core of sin.


79 posted on 03/15/2019 9:58:49 AM PDT by Honest Nigerian
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To: central_va
I am not sure how you picked out the Free Trade narrative from Hillsdale's legacy.

Since it's founding it has been a pioneer in classical education. Such things as it's anti-slavery stance before the civil war, it's instrumental effort in the founding of the Republican party, and in 1956 it refused to play in the Tangerine bowl due to the committee's refusal to allow the black players on the field with white players. Hillsdale has allowed black students since its founding by abolitionists in 1844 and was the 2nd to allow women to attend.

Hillsdale promotes the traditional education of the liberal arts and classics.It does not receive any federal grants or subsidies, "to reaffirm its historic independence and to resist subsidization of its affairs by the federal government."

This is only a tip of the iceberg of a College where a "classical" liberal arts education can be acquired. Name another, I would love to discover another.

80 posted on 03/15/2019 10:05:35 AM PDT by Cannoneer ("the question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me." Ayn Rand)
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