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To: monkeyshine; All
There is really no disconnect. The left during Viet Nam consciencely objected to engaging in a war against a Stalinist regime. Most claiming CO status either were physical cowards or were committed leftists. In a similar mind f*ck that the left is employing again, those who are law abiding and patriotic Americans are vilified as ‘haters’ and a long litany of phobes. During Viet Nam the left with media and academic support made draft dodging and rioting patriotic and effectively stigmatized law abiding and patriotic men as ‘Baby killers’ and ‘psycho-vets’ and poured endless hatred and contempt on the military, LEO’s and the security agencies. Now that the long march through the institutions has finally reached those organizations through infiltration the left sees them as allies in their war on normal Americans. It's the same war, the battlefield has now shifted radically against the normal law abiding hetero sexual patriotic Americans. More will follow,
31 posted on 03/01/2019 4:32:11 PM PST by robowombat (Orthodox)
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To: robowombat

Fair points. I still see some disconnect but ultimately you are correct for their ideology is unprincipled except for ‘the ends justify the means’. They can lie, spin, dissemble, and flat out turn their previous comments inside out without even missing a beat or blushing.

I miss the civil libertarian left. They have been crushed by the radical left including being flooded with hard-left money such that the civil libertarian groups are forced to kowtow to ideas that would be unconscionable a generation ago.

Book burning? Yes they are for it.
Speech codes? Yes they are for it.
Prior restraint for speech? Roger!
Punitive action against violators of dogma? Check.

And like I said, now they even love the tactics of the FBI and the CIA. The left was livid about FBI treatment of Dr. King. Falcon and the Snowman got going over CIA intervention in Australian elections. But today, the left cheer these same (worse!) tactics today - even cheering DOJ/US Intel interference in our own elections while running a fake witch hunt for Russian moles under our beds.

Screw ‘em. They are and have been totally dishonest. Remember the phrase “viability of the fetus”? That is what they sold us 30-40 years ago. Now, it’s not even in the public conversation anymore. They are open eugenicists. At least to some degree some of them are being more open about their Socialist/Communist/Command-Control desires. I can at least respect someone who fights for what they believe in. I can’t respect sniveling little dissemblers who think they are too clever by half. If Bill and Hillary said in 1992 “we have an open marriage” I might have even voted for them just for their honesty. But when he cried on CBS about his ‘one mistake’, only a jackass would trust him. I have no idea how many people died and how much money it cost in acts of aggression designed purely to get his many scandals off the front pages.

Obama campaigned to bring the troops home, then he went and sent tens of thousands of more and meddled around in many other countries.

I can’t stand them.


37 posted on 03/01/2019 4:48:58 PM PST by monkeyshine
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