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Blind Spots and Loud Noises: Report Finds Problems With New JLTV's (Humvee Replacement)
Military.com ^ | 2/25/2019 | Matthew Cox

Posted on 02/26/2019 5:36:17 AM PST by Drago

The U.S. military's new Joint Light Tactical Vehicle suffers from reliability, safety and lethality shortcomings that need fixing before it will be suitable for battlefield use, according to a recent Defense Department test and evaluation report.

Army and Marine Corps units will soon start training with the JLTV, a high-performance vehicle designed to replace many of the military's aging Humvees.

(Excerpt) Read more at military.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: humvee; jltv; oshkosh
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To: Captain Rhino

In the 60s and 70s, we had 1/4 ton trucks in a variety of configurations, from command and control, forward observer, scout, machine gun, anti-tank, radio relay, etc. It had a handy, 1/4 ton trailer we could configure in a variety of ways.

We had a 3/4 truck for larger applications, including communications shelters.

What replaced them has done poorly. Again, the “One-size-fits-all”, which started with the ATF under McNamara (who also gave us the M-151 1/4 ton widow-maker, instead of the Jeep CJ product), continues to result in substandard successes, if not abject failures.


21 posted on 02/26/2019 7:36:14 AM PST by Redleg Duke (We live on a tax farm as free-range humans!)
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To: Drago

What does the IDF use? Probably would work well for us.


22 posted on 02/26/2019 8:25:59 AM PST by HChampagne (Cruz supporter but I will support and vote for Trump.)
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To: PapaBear3625

They did, about 15 years ago. I think it was going to be called the Joint Tactical Truck but it wasn’t really “tactical”. Something like the old CUC-V trucks we had for support roles. No commercial truck would have made the cut. Consider that they’re migrating many roles from the HMMWV. Commercial trucks simply aren’t designed, built or configured for military operations.


23 posted on 02/26/2019 8:42:21 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: Redleg Duke

The Jeep CJ was a widowmaker, too. They rolled over more than the M151.


24 posted on 02/26/2019 8:45:03 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: Rashputin
Sounds like a nice way to have embedded repair contractors in units for a long time to come ensuring a continuing income along with the mods and kits that someone will no doubt discover have to be fitted to the vehicles.

Yep! That's what Boeing requires with their P-8A. Navy maintainers aren't allowed to touch half the stuff on their planes. Gotta call tech reps. Civilian tech support is a pretty good racket if you're a 45-year old retired Navy Chief and you want to keep the income coming.

25 posted on 02/26/2019 8:49:27 AM PST by Drew68 (No, as a matter of fact, I didn't read the article.)
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To: PapaBear3625
I'd like to see the Army take a look at a slightly-militarized version of a 4-wheel-drive commercial pickup. A lot cheaper, the bugs have been worked out, and it's not like an RPG or IED wouldn't take out the JLTV too

I see "tactical" Silverados all over Navy bases.


26 posted on 02/26/2019 8:56:19 AM PST by Drew68 (No, as a matter of fact, I didn't read the article.)
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To: SJSAMPLE

The M-38 and M-38A1 didn’t have that problem.


27 posted on 02/26/2019 9:28:37 AM PST by Redleg Duke (We live on a tax farm as free-range humans!)
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To: Redleg Duke

It was the independent suspension that was added to give the Ford M-151s more mobility. That, and the weapons got bigger and heavier (TOW, etc.).


28 posted on 02/26/2019 9:54:13 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: Drago
all that armor and NO slats on the radiator
29 posted on 02/26/2019 6:32:02 PM PST by Chode ( WeÂ’re America, Bitch!)
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To: SJSAMPLE

Yeah, a really dangerous design. There initially were no mechanical stops to keep the individual wheels from pivoting under the vehicle. This resulted and “snap rolls” with no warning other than the ground hitting your helmet.

An example of well-meaning engineers with no understanding of the operational requirements and realities of a system. As usual, the military doesn’t do a good job of operational requirements definition.

I speak as a retired Army Officer and retired Systems Architect.


30 posted on 02/27/2019 4:52:27 AM PST by Redleg Duke (We live on a tax farm as free-range humans!)
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To: Redleg Duke

They started putting roll-cages on the M151 in the 1980s, but it took a while to get around. My last M151 was our survey jeep because there weren’t mounting kits for the HMMWVs for the survey gyro.

They installed the roll cage on my survey jeep three weeks before they took it away and replaced it with a HMMWV with the correct mount.


31 posted on 02/27/2019 6:37:25 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: SJSAMPLE

The roll cage was a good idea. Stiffened up, a flexible mount for guns, or a rest for a light, anti-tank weapon.

The problem remains that the scouts haven’t had a good replacement for the 1/4 ton. The Army remans stuck on stupid thinking that bigger is better. They need to apply what is really needed to the mission of the operator.


32 posted on 02/27/2019 6:41:18 AM PST by Redleg Duke (We live on a tax farm as free-range humans!)
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To: Redleg Duke

Bingo!
I was out at Ft. Lewis when the 9th ID (Motorized) was testing FAVs and up-gunned HMMWVS. They were strapping TOWS on the top of FAVs and wondering why the things wouldn’t stay upright, while mounting 25mm Bushmasters on HMMWVs and thinking it would work.

I remember when The Army was experimenting with loud Kawasaki 250s as scout vehicles, requiring special helmets that would deal with the insane noise and also let them hear. I was on a REFORGER exercise when I saw a Canadian IFV rolling by with a Trek mountain bike strapped to the back.


33 posted on 02/27/2019 6:58:33 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: HChampagne

IDF uses Humvees


34 posted on 02/28/2019 10:46:47 AM PST by 2CAVTrooper
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