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Man killed 5 in Illinois after gun background check missed felony conviction, police say
Associated Press / LA Times ^ | 2-16-19 | AP

Posted on 02/16/2019 12:09:35 PM PST by NoLibZone

Police say the fired worker who killed five people at a manufacturing warehouse in Aurora, Ill., on Friday was able to buy the gun he used because an initial background check didn't catch that he had a prior felony conviction in Mississippi.

Aurora Police Chief Kristin Ziman said Saturday that 45-year-old Gary Martin was issued a firearm owner's identification card in January 2014 after he passed the initial background check.

She said he bought the Smith & Wesson .40-caliber handgun on March 11, 2014, and that his 1995 felony conviction for aggravated assault in Mississippi wasn't flagged until he applied for a concealed carry permit five days later. That application process includes vetting using a more rigorous digital fingerprinting system.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; aalreadypostednope; alreadyposted; alreadypostednope; aurora; banglist; garymartin; gunlaw; guns; illinois; nra; secondamendment
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She said he bought the Smith & Wesson .40-caliber handgun on March 11, 2014,

Comey was FBI Dir.

1 posted on 02/16/2019 12:09:35 PM PST by NoLibZone
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Man killed 5 in Illinois after gun background check missed felony conviction, police say

Liberals will argue that NICS should be allotted more time to conduct background checks, days instead of minutes.

2 posted on 02/16/2019 12:14:28 PM PST by Drew68
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To: NoLibZone

So when he was “flagged” during a concealed carry application, he was known to be a felon in posession of a firearm, correct?

So who dropped the ball there?


3 posted on 02/16/2019 12:15:45 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: Freedom4US

FBI vets them for both


4 posted on 02/16/2019 12:16:38 PM PST by NoLibZone (America's dead. Gone. Get used to it. The Trump admin has shown the experiment has ended.)
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To: NoLibZone

Yup


5 posted on 02/16/2019 12:18:55 PM PST by mylife (Look, there is that Carribean Lady,,, I gotta get me some o that)
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To: NoLibZone

Huh. That’s the NICS, correct? Is the fibbies job to arrest him though?


6 posted on 02/16/2019 12:25:29 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: NoLibZone
FBI vets them for both.

Well, it was 2014 so the FBI was probably busy enabling an Obama, a Clinton or a Kerry. Lots of important stuff like selling uranium to Russians or giving pallets of cash to the Iranian mullahs. There are only so many hours in a day.

7 posted on 02/16/2019 12:28:05 PM PST by niteowl77 ("I am equally hostile to unbridled power whether exercised by the head or tail of society." - MD)
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To: NoLibZone

I imagine that the place of employment had a no firearms policy. If so, that would be an outrage.


8 posted on 02/16/2019 12:31:26 PM PST by old-ager (anti-new-ager)
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I imagine that the place of employment had a no firearms policy.

Well, the shooter is in some real trouble now for violating that policy.

9 posted on 02/16/2019 12:34:26 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: NoLibZone
If someone lied about a felony on his or her application for a CCW (itself a crime, n'est ce pas?) wouln't the authorities be curious if there were firearms already in possession of a felon (a crime just about everywhere, IIRC)?

And, why didn't the crime of lying on the CCW form put this creep back in the slams?

This is about criminals, who by definition do not care about gun laws, and how we responsible and honest folks can defend ourselves when lives are threatened.

.

10 posted on 02/16/2019 12:38:39 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in-never, never,never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. Winston Churchill)
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This is about criminals, who by definition do not care about gun laws

It's not just convicted criminals who care about gun or any other laws.

We live in a time when laws are hardly even suggestions. It's all situational depending on one's point of what the law is.

11 posted on 02/16/2019 12:44:28 PM PST by llevrok (Vote while it's still legal)
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To: niteowl77

Bingo, give the man a free cigar!


12 posted on 02/16/2019 12:48:44 PM PST by vigilence (Vigilence)
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To: Drew68

That’s:

National INSTANT Criminal Background Check System (NICS)

Not that it will matter.


13 posted on 02/16/2019 12:49:42 PM PST by Do_Tar (To my NSA handler: Just kidding.)
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To: old-ager

I strongly suspect that all companies have a “no firearms on the premises” policy. I recently worked at a top-notch company that actively pursued the idea of having a “ready alert” program for countering an active shooter situation. That meant having a small team of trained personnel and a small armory of long guns and hand guns in strategically placed safes around the facility. This was particularly sensible since the majority of the employees were former military types, and probably close to 25% of them were recent Army or Marines with mid-East WOT experience. Many of those individuals were still active in the Reserves and routinely deployed or served two-week refresher duty.

Anyway, after much review and preparation, the company was ready to publish an SOP to enact the plan following a review by the local police and Sheriff office. In the end, while the LOE agencies notionally agreed with the concept and SOP, they refused to sign off and permit it because they were concerned about mutual interference in the event of an active shooter situation, i.e., friendly-on-friendly fire. The SOP was filed and no action taken.


14 posted on 02/16/2019 12:50:18 PM PST by Afterguard (Deplorable me!)
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“the LOE agencies”

Sorry, should read Law Enforcement Agencies.


15 posted on 02/16/2019 12:52:25 PM PST by Afterguard (Deplorable me!)
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To: Freedom4US

“Martin received an Illinois Firearm Owner’s Identification (FOID) card in January 2014. Two months later, Martin legally purchased a .40 caliber Smith & Wesson handgun, apparently the same weapon used in Friday’s shooting.”

“After receiving an FOID card in 2014, police said, Martin was fingerprinted when applying for a concealed carry permit. During the fingerprinting and background process, authorities discovered the 1995 aggravated assault conviction and revoked Martin’s FOID card.”

The people who should have confiscated his pistol after failing background check.


16 posted on 02/16/2019 12:53:55 PM PST by antidemoncrat
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17 posted on 02/16/2019 12:56:23 PM PST by 4Liberty ("The Democrats are the Party of Crime." - Donald J. Trump)
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To: NoLibZone

“FBI vets them for both”

And we all know that the FBI is the best there is.

(For Democrats, that is.)


18 posted on 02/16/2019 12:58:23 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Drew68

Which will, of course, be eventually teased out into weeks, months, and years.


19 posted on 02/16/2019 1:01:09 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: NoLibZone
It was Illinois that screwed up. See below. This exemplifies how passing more gun control laws and state “permitting” is just a pile.

“Before issuing a FOID card, the Illinois State Police runs the name through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System or NICS, an electronic database maintained by the FBI, to determine if an applicant has a criminal record or other violations that make him ineligible to own a firearm.

Once the card is issued, the State Police reruns each cardholder through the FBI system every 24 hours and revokes the card of anyone who has incurred a recent infraction.

In Illinois, however, authorities in many cases, lack the manpower to send officers out to remove firearms from the home of someone whose FOID card has been revoked, according to Daley.”

20 posted on 02/16/2019 1:19:31 PM PST by Badboo (Why it is important)
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