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To: TigersEye

You mean Jim Crow laws, like the Black Code in Lincoln’s own Illinois? The one that wouldn’t allow free blacks to settle there.

I can see that you like your history to be simplistic, like candy.

Lincoln’s VP Andrew Johnson was a Democrat. There were Unionist Democrats who opposed the Confederacy, including Lincoln’s famous debating opponent Stephen Douglass.

The South wasn’t all Democrat, despite your illusions.

The South had Whigs. Whigs were the party from which the Republicans arose. John Tyler, 10th US President and member of the Confederate Congress, had been a Whig. As had John C Calhoun, maybe the most significant Antebellum statesman in the country.

The South had the Constitutional Union Party, which ran Tennessee’s John Bell in the 1860 election.

The Republicans weren’t all a party of abolitionists like their Radical Republican faction. Lincoln himself was considered a moderate who opposed the expansion of slavery into the Territories.

This is the Lincoln who wrote Horace Greeley:

” If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them.

Lincoln was waging war against fellow Americans to forcibly preserve the Union, not to abolish slavery. And in fact he never freed a slave in the North.

Frederick Douglass revisited all of this in his memorial to Lincoln, emphasizing that while he appreciated what Lincoln did, he understood that the fate of black Americans was an afterthought.

American political party history isn’t really the comic book version that you enjoy where all things evil feature the Democratic Party. But no one is going to force you give up that fantasy. Enjoy. Be ignorant and happy.


95 posted on 02/10/2019 10:52:33 PM PST by Pelham (Secure Voter ID. Mexico has it, because unlike us they take voting seriously)
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To: Pelham
I can see that you like your history to be simplistic, like candy.

More of your sophistry and straw men. I made a crack about the Democrat Party's responsibility for slavery, an undeniable fact, and you come back with some self-aggrandizing non-sequiturs crafted with the primary aim of demonstrating what a professor of history you are.

The fact that you would choose a comment like mine to take issue with reflects on your lack of seriousness. You, sir a pathetic debater and a very small minded man.

By all means, continue on with your defense of Northam's comments based on the spurious idea that Africans knowingly and willingly signed contracts of indentured servitude.

96 posted on 02/10/2019 10:59:10 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: Pelham; TigersEye
And in fact he never freed a slave in the North.

In fact, President Lincoln put his full political weight behind the passage and ratification of the 13th amendment. It was one of his very highest priorities in his second term - even personally signed it even though that is not a requirement. That amendment abolished slavery in the entire United States, including the slave states that had not joined the Confederacy.

Whigs were the party from which the Republicans arose. John Tyler, 10th US President and member of the Confederate Congress, had been a Whig. As had John C Calhoun, maybe the most significant Antebellum statesman in the country.

Uh, no, that is not even close to being true. The Republican Party did not arise from the Whig Party - completely distinct organizations. Former Whigs were just one of many groups that joined to form the new Republican Party - another major group was also the former Free Soil party members. The party was indeed founded primarily on the abolitionist movement despite your comments to the contrary.

John Tyler was a party hopper - a long time Democrat that was hardly ever a loyal Whig and certainly never, ever a Republican...his worst political battles as President were with other Whigs who even tried to impeach him - in fact he was expelled from the Whig Party and he endorsed a Democrat to succeed him as President. John C. Calhoun died before the Republican Party was ever formed and was in fact a Democrat and only briefly associated with the Whig Party when his former Nullifiers associated with it. There is nothing that even remotely links either of these men to the Republican Party.

158 posted on 02/11/2019 6:07:37 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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