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To: kabar

Here is my answer. {TL/DR: is God made it; Science proves it.}

First off, I believe in God and Science.

Science is the way God gave us to understand Him.

Now having said that, it is proper to understand that God exists OUTSIDE of time and space. For time and space are part of His CREATION. What He made.

For example, when Jesus spoke of the plight of Jerusalem to come, He knew exactly what would happen as He already saw it. Time didn’t matter. Sure, his body incarnate as a man had to go through time, but his Godhead, the Father, already saw it.

When God created the universe, I am certain that He did indeed use the Big Bang.

Everything God does in His Creation is done in accordance to His rules. God established these rules, like a coder writing code, or a builder using math to build a house.

So too has God given us evidence of all that He has done, which is found in math and science. He does not deceive. He does what He does, and expects us to know by seeing.

So we have evidence, by listening to the earliest radio wave lengths, and using the Doppler effect to know if a electromagnetic wave is coming towards or away, how far things are. The earliest wave we get is the Big bang. Nothing, then noise. Further, that noise goes on as a static charge for about 400,000 years. At that time, we “hear” a wave of star noise, popping up everywhere.

Here’s how science explains this evidence we capture:

First there was the Big Bang—nothing—then EVERYTHING, and a expanding everything in existence, which was the element hydrogen, the only one present. A hot static soup of hydrogen. It took 400,000 years of time to condense much of this hydrogen into such massive “balls” of hydrogen that they stated nuclear fusion and became stars, that is suns—and millions, more or less at the same time, producing in the universe, for the first time LIGHT—photons, as part of the electromagnetic spectrum.

One of the first statements in the Bible. “God said, let there be light, and there was light.”

I do believe the science simply explains the rules of matter—gravity, sticking things together, the pressure of gravity to force hydrogen to alter it’s atomic weight through fusion, all of this, was God letting there be light.

Remember He is NOT part of or bound by time. Time is part of his creation, not Himself. Using His on rules, but taking 400,000 years to do so, makes perfect sense. You can do the math, and figuring out that eventually, enough hydrogen would coalesce to start fusion. Just a matter of time... A tool of God. A rule of God. God the builder, God the Architect God the Scientist. He made it ALL.

This explains how the universe, as we know it, and based on evidence, was created. Created, as in made, not just “formed” by nothing or no one.

So, rather than science being a contradiction of the Bible, it helps explain it. We did not know nuclear physics, or radio waves, or photons or anything of that nature when the Bible was first written, but the science can indeed explain it, if you can get past the part about the “day” being ONLY 24 hours in the Bible.

Early man could not comprehend the Creator being unbound by time.


229 posted on 02/10/2019 11:59:48 AM PST by Alas Babylon! (The media is after us. Trump's just in the way.)
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To: Alas Babylon!
You are talking about faith, not science. Not that there is anything wrong with that. From the very dawn of when man started walking the face of the Earth, myth and religion have been used to explain the incomprehensible. From primitive tribes to the Egyptians, Romans, Greeks, Hindus, Chinese, etc. the use of God or Gods and heroic figures are commonplace and share many similarities. They are used to explain and give meaning to the world around you.

Joseph Campbell did a marvelous job of linking religions and myths from around the world and thru time. About God he said:

God is a metaphor for a mystery that absolutely transcends all human categories of thought, even the categories of being and non-being. Those are categories of thought. I mean it's as simple as that. So it depends on how much you want to think about it. Whether it's doing you any good. Whether it is putting you in touch with the mystery that's the ground of your own being. If it isn't, well, it's a lie. So half the people in the world are religious people who think that their metaphors are facts. Those are what we call theists. The other half are people who know that the metaphors are not facts. And so, they're lies. Those are the atheists.

My point is that we are unable to comprehend or grasp certain concepts whether they be about time, space, the universe, or own existence. Science can explode some of these old myths or ideas, but raise new questions that defy answers. For example, where did the hydrogen come from to create the "Big Bang?"

245 posted on 02/10/2019 7:09:24 PM PST by kabar
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