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Are Neandertals pre-Flood people?
Creation Ministries International ^ | 2-2-19 | Robert Carter, PhD

Posted on 02/06/2019 10:57:28 AM PST by fishtank

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To: Republic_Venom; All

Archeologist’s did find an old stone inscription translated as “LAND OF UZ”(which translated fro the Hebrew meant “Land of Nowhere”). Higher Textual critics for years argued that the title of the land that Job hailed from was just a wink wink nod nod hint that the book of Job was just a parable. Then they recently found the Inscription.... “Land of Uz”....or “Nowhere’sville”....or perhaps EREWHON(with apologies to Samuel Butler).

So if the Land of Nowhere really did exist after all, can you really argue then that Job never existed?

PS: The first really strong hint of the Resurrection of Saints, to be found in scriptures, into a new flesh is found in Job!


41 posted on 02/06/2019 12:42:37 PM PST by mdmathis6
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To: IgnorerOfLiberals
Oh, so you compare a the God of the Bible to Zeus? And you say that isn’t insulting?

Not in the slightest, no.

There are perhaps 100,000 people who still believe in Zeus. There are a billion people who believe in God, and the Bible.

So the level of respect for a religion is determined by majority opinion? That’s an, er, interesting opinion.

There are 1.8 billion people who believe in Allah and the Qu’ran. That’s a lot if people. What’s your opinion of the stories of Muhammad described therein? I presume in the interest of consistency that you only describe Islam in the most respectful of manners, yes?

You are a despicable person.

It should be noted that you just said this in a conversation in which you’re complaining that I’m insulting people. :-)

42 posted on 02/06/2019 12:43:15 PM PST by Simon Green ("Arm your daughter, sir, and pay no attention to petty bureaucrats.”)
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To: pepsionice

Likely a localized event, that to the observer seemed like a global event.


43 posted on 02/06/2019 12:46:05 PM PST by Mr. Blond
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Gen 6 …20 Two of every kind of bird and animal and crawling creature will come to you to be kept alive. 21You are also to take for yourself every kind of food that is eaten and gather it as food for yourselves and for the animals.” 22So Noah did everything precisely as God had commanded him.…

So now that that answers your questions, you’re a Christian?


44 posted on 02/06/2019 12:47:48 PM PST by Bob434
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To: PAR35

I thought that the largest dinosaurs had rather small eggs, so therefore small babies. A couple of eggs wouldn’t take up much room.


45 posted on 02/06/2019 12:47:54 PM PST by Pocketdoor
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To: Pocketdoor

They were DNA samples to be cloned later by Enki and Enlil.


46 posted on 02/06/2019 12:59:58 PM PST by Openurmind
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To: Simon Green

You go on a forum, which the large majority of people are Christians, and call their God a myth. Yes, you are insulting and despicable. I fail to follow your logic.

I do not go to Muslim forums and do the same about their God.


47 posted on 02/06/2019 1:03:10 PM PST by IgnorerOfLiberals
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To: fishtank

Very interesting hypothesis. IMO


48 posted on 02/06/2019 1:05:07 PM PST by MissEdie
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To: IgnorerOfLiberals
You go on a forum, which the large majority of people are Christians, and call their God a myth. Yes, you are insulting and despicable. I fail to follow your logic.

I never said God was a myth, I said the Flood was a myth. Hardly the same thing. I’ve also been here long enough to know that there are plenty of Christians on this forum who don’t believe in a literal Flood. Are they “insulting and despicable” as well?

49 posted on 02/06/2019 1:29:37 PM PST by Simon Green ("Arm your daughter, sir, and pay no attention to petty bureaucrats.”)
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To: Simon Green

It IS the same thing.


50 posted on 02/06/2019 1:38:43 PM PST by madison10
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To: jetson
So does that mean Noah is my great, great, great ,great ,great ,great, great ,great, great, great, great ,great ,great, great, great, great, great grandfather?

Yes, isn't that great?

51 posted on 02/06/2019 1:39:12 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham ("God is a spirit, and man His means of walking on the earth.")
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

“all of the unique animals in Australia”

If you are talking about marsupials, they didn’t only settle in Australia. There are still living marsupials (opossums) on other continents, and fossils of other kinds of marsupials are found around the world as well. They were distributed worldwide just like other animals, but most only survived in the isolated environment of Australia.

“Why aren’t their tigers in Brazil?”

Probably because there are jaguars in Brazil that are nearly the same genetically and fulfill the same ecological niche.

“Why aren’t there elephants in Nova Scotia?”

Their ancestors probably got hunted to extinction in the Western hemisphere.

“Somebody remind me what all the predators on the ark ate for 7 months at sea...”

The Bible says there were no predators at the time of the flood. God allowed the animals to eat meat only after they disembarked from the ark.

“Did they put all 35,000 species of spiders on the ark and all 12,000 species of ants”

The Bible only speaks of “kinds” of creatures put on the ark, not our modern idea of “species”. I’d say the logistics weigh heavily against the idea that every type of creature that modern scientists delineate as a “species” would have been considered a separate “kind”.


52 posted on 02/06/2019 1:39:42 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: PAR35
Well, it obviously didn't include the largest dinosaurs.

I think for them they just took the eggs.

53 posted on 02/06/2019 1:40:05 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham ("God is a spirit, and man His means of walking on the earth.")
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To: fishtank

Ha.

I think the answer is 13,648 angels can sit on the head of a pin


54 posted on 02/06/2019 1:41:38 PM PST by bert ( (KE. N.P. N.C. +12) Honduras must be invaded to protect America from invasion)
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To: grania

Not one of them can be identified as a Neanderthal.


55 posted on 02/06/2019 1:42:31 PM PST by arthurus (hy)
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To: madison10
It IS the same thing.

You can’t believe in God without believing in the Biblical flood? Really?

56 posted on 02/06/2019 1:42:43 PM PST by Simon Green ("Arm your daughter, sir, and pay no attention to petty bureaucrats.”)
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To: bert
I think the answer is 13,648 angels can sit on the head of a pin.

(Gasp!) Incorrect! It’s obviously 13,649.

Heretic! ;-)

57 posted on 02/06/2019 1:48:16 PM PST by Simon Green ("Arm your daughter, sir, and pay no attention to petty bureaucrats.”)
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To: Simon Green
You can’t believe in God without believing in the Biblical flood? Really?

I think a lot of people can't believe in the veracity of the Bible without believing in the flood. And if they can't believe the veracity of the Bible, they can't believe in God. And so they paint themselves into a very tricky corner.

58 posted on 02/06/2019 1:49:06 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham ("God is a spirit, and man His means of walking on the earth.")
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To: Redmen4ever

A local flood explanation conflicts with the Bible though. Just read Genesis 9 where God says that all life on earth, which He is making a covenant with, came from the ark. He then confirms at least three times that this covenant is with all living creatures on earth, not simply the inhabitants of some particular land.

It also would make a theological mess of things, since God’s covenant is now with just a few men, rather than all men. God’s preservation of Noah is also not so miraculous if he also saved all the other people who lived in the rest of the earth and those people didn’t have to do anything or have any faith in God to receive that salvation. Likewise, it would go against the idea in the New Testament that Noah is a type of Christ, offering salvation to men through faith to preserve them when the world is judged. Why should we think Christ is the only path to salvation if Noah wasn’t?


59 posted on 02/06/2019 1:54:11 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Dogbert41

Carbon 14 dating is reliable back 50K years roughly

Others and there’s lots to choose from:

Potassium–argon dating method - Potassium-40 has a half-life of 1.3 billion years, and so this method is applicable to the oldest rocks.

Rubidium–strontium dating method - rubidium-87 to strontium-87, with a half-life of 50 billion years. This scheme is used to date old igneous and metamorphic rocks, and has also been used to date lunar samples. Closure temperatures are so high that they are not a concern. Rubidium-strontium dating is not as precise as the uranium-lead method, with errors of 30 to 50 million years for a 3-billion-year-old sample.

Samarium–neodymium dating - involves the alpha decay of 147Sm to 143Nd with a half-life of 1.06 x 10**11 years. Accuracy levels of within twenty million years in ages of two-and-a-half billion years are achievable.

Uranium–lead radiometric - involves using uranium-235 or uranium-238 to date a substance’s absolute age. This scheme has been refined to the point that the error margin in dates of rocks can be as low as less than two million years in two-and-a-half billion years.

Other methods include:
argon–argon (Ar–Ar)
iodine–xenon (I–Xe)
lanthanum–barium (La–Ba)
lead–lead (Pb–Pb)
lutetium–hafnium (Lu–Hf)
potassium–calcium (K–Ca)
rhenium–osmium (Re–Os)
uranium–lead–helium (U–Pb–He)
uranium–uranium (U–U)
krypton–krypton (Kr–Kr)
beryllium (10Be–9Be)[30]


60 posted on 02/06/2019 2:00:58 PM PST by Reily
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