Posted on 01/27/2019 9:02:46 AM PST by rktman
I propose we send the entire Bush family to the Taliban to stand trial as compensation.
Could we perhaps get john f’n kohn-heinz-kerry to broker the deal? He could,in good faith(?), offer himself up as well.
I agree 100%. If we are not willing to pull a Sherman on them, we need to get out.
The first thing I think of is the “agreement “ we had with North Vietnam before we withdrew. It ended looking like we were thrown out.
[Time to go boys and girls. It’s past due. The only thing they understand is annihilation. If no one is willing to show them that, then time to go.]
Absolutely no doubt the Taliban will take over as soon as we leave, just as the N. Vietnamese took over in ‘Nam.
Do I care? Not one bit.
Should’ve just declared victory and left. The Taliban won’t honor any agreement for very long because they are not honorable people.
Cool. Let China or Russia go and nation build there.
> I expect this means we’ll be back in Afghanistan again and again <
I hate to say it, but I think that the West (the US included) will just accept the next 9/11 as the new normal. A couple of dozen cruise missiles will be shot off. And a couple of Taliban tents will be destroyed.
But there will be no more invasions. The West just doesn’t have the stomach to do what really needs to be done.
[Absolutely no doubt the Taliban will take over as soon as we leave, just as the N. Vietnamese took over in ‘Nam.
Do I care? Not one bit.]
Pakistan is the Taliban’s chief foreign sponsor. Unless we match Pakistan’s aid to the Taliban, which may amount to as much as $1b a year, a good chunk of which comes from us paying transit fees (aka protection money) to Pakistan to get supplies through to landlocked Afghanistan, the Afghan government will fall.
For 3 years after Soviet troops withdrew, Najibullah’s regime remained standing. Then the Soviets cut off his financial aid. 3 months after the cessation of Soviet money, estimated at $3b a year, his regime fell. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Najibullah#After_the_Soviets I expect a few billion dollars a year could keep the Afghan government alive against the Taliban. The question is whether there’s any appetite in Congress to appropriate that money once GI’s are out of harm’s way. I think there won’t be until the next big 9/11-style terror attack mounted by terrorists under the Taliban’s protection.
A significant portion of the Taliban’s Pakistani financing in turn came, ironically, from American sources. Pakistan has been a major recipient of US military and financial aid over the course of the past 15 years. Direct US military and economic assistance to Pakistan has amounted to over 20 billion dollars since 2001. Moreover, a significant amount of additional US aid to Pakistan was channeled through third party contractors. Pakistan was also reimbursed by ISAF for various services that it provided to American and coalition troops.]
Small comfort to the parents of US soldiers and contractors who died and were injured in that mountainous muslim hellhole...
As of July 27, 2018, there have been 2,372 U.S. military deaths in the War in Afghanistan.
-> 1,856 of these deaths have been the result of hostile action. 20,320 American servicemembers have also been wounded in action during the war.[1]
In addition, there were 1,720 U.S. civilian contractor fatalities.[2]
I think with Afghanistan and Iraq, war costs are the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the Middle East. It is the rebuilding that is much more expensive in American treasure and lives than the actual war. Perhaps “bomb and leave” , rinse and repeat” until the bad behavior stops is a more sensible policy when it comes to these alien creatures that live there. After a while although their populace will hate us a little more than they hated us before we turned their structures into rubble, their tyrants will get the message that bad behavior has consequences and return to their regular modus operandi in the Middle East of killing each other which they have been doing for ages and which does not affect us..
Hey TM -
RE: “I propose we send the entire Bush family to the Taliban to stand trial as compensation.”
To be intellectually and morally honest, you better include me, maybe yourself, most FReepers, and the majority of conservatives deserving trial and conviction for enthusiasticly supporting invading Afghanistan and Iraq after 9-11 gov’t complicit terror events.
Hindsight and current reality proves we were wrong to invade alien culture countried without the absolute resolve (stomach) to completely conquer them, no matter the amount of casualties.
Not mention resulting loss of moral authority that cripples our foreign and domestic state of affairs.
Based upon current cultural outcomes and trends, Islam is winning in the middle east and the West because:
Muslims love their authoritarian theology more than we godless kafirs love our western decadent culture, ever diminishing freedoms, fiat currency based economy dooming our children’s future prospects.
Demographics doom the west’s population replacement rate of 1.7 (less than crucial 2.2) vs 3.6 muslim birthrate.
The west is in its final phase of empire civilization.
The suffering will get much worse as our collapse continues.
Just as the Time Traveller warned us...
https://www.dansimmons.com/news/message/2006_04.htm
> To be intellectually and morally honest, you better include me, maybe yourself, most FReepers, and the majority of conservatives deserving trial and conviction for enthusiasticly supporting invading Afghanistan and Iraq after 9-11 gov’t complicit terror events.
We were lied to from beginning to end.
What you propose is the opposite of intellectual and moral honesty. You propose to diffuse the blame from perpetrators onto another set of their victims.
True points regarding “we were lied to, from beginning to end”.
You are wrong regarding any notion diffusing blame from muslim perpetrators.
My final point stands completely true - Current reality proves Muslims and marxists love their authoritarian domination theologies more than the USA, Canada, Western Europe, Australia and New Zealand loves their freedom and future posterity. (At least until we’ve had enough and fight dhimitude)
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/13578/christian-persecution-november
Your tagline says it all.
(1) Mohammed Atta and friends planned 9/11 in HAMBURG.
(2) We let them all in on visas, more than half of which had EXPIRED before 9/11.
(3) 6 of the 19 hijackers -- including Atta -- were DETAINED by law enforcement (Atta for speeding) with EXPIRED visas in their possession. ALL were released, without INS being contacted.
(4)Two flight schools where the hijackers trained reported "concerns" about them, specifically noting that two students said "I don't need to know how to land." Nothing was done.
We did this to OURSELVES. TRILLIONS down the drain and 2.372 DEAD in Afghanistan and we STILL don't have an Entry/Exit visa system in place (top 5 priority of 9/11 commission).
As the great Yogi Berra said “Deja Vu all over again.”
“History may not repeat, but it sure does rhyme.” - Mark Twain
What are they gonna do from 10000 miles away ?
I work for higher up Afgsns. We have a giant military base there were not going anywhere
Pak has nukes and must be controlled by us and INDIA
The talibsn are 7th century barbarians who know nothing by Quran
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