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To: Lmo56
First, I don't think the Cornell Law Encyclopedia is a student paper. I'd sooner trust that than the web page of a PAC that the FEC disbanded in 2016 for not filing anything for three years. I checked the PAC number. Second, there are only two types of U.S. citizens, natural born and naturalized. There is no third category for legally born, yet not natural born. The USSC ruled Ark was a citizen at birth. By calling Ark a citizen at birth, it means the same thing natural born citizen, even if the court did not explicity use that specific langauge.
218 posted on 01/21/2019 7:42:16 PM PST by Widget Jr
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To: Widget Jr

“By calling Ark a citizen at birth, it means the same thing natural born citizen, even if the court did not explicity use that specific langauge. “

No it doesn’t. Natural born Citizen means born to U.S. citizen parents on U.S. soil. The 14th didn’t make anyone a natural born Citizen.

If you’re a U.S. citizen, you’re either natural born or naturalized by positive law. Too many idiots here think naturalization involves a ceremony of some kind. And Ark didn’t even come in under positive law(He was made a citizen by the SCROTUS)


219 posted on 01/21/2019 8:05:08 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Cocked, locked and ready to ROCK!)
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To: Widget Jr

Widget Jr. -

FIRST: How DARE you claim that I used a PAC ??? I used the Ark opnion that is posted at the Cornell University Legal Information Institute web site.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/169/649#writing-USSC_CR_0169_0649_ZO

SECOND: From the opinion, which you probably haven’t read ... “The question presented by the record is whether a child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States by virtue of the first clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution ...”. Gee - NO MENTION OF BEING A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN !!!

THIRD: Show me ANYWHERE that SCOTUS has EVER equated “at the time of his birth a citizen” to being a natural born citizen. YOU CAN’T. Don’t try to put words in their mouths by stating, “ ... even if the court did not explicity use that specific langauge ...”. It just makes you look foolish and petulant when you try to make things fit your agenda.


225 posted on 01/21/2019 10:20:07 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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