National Emergency - The Wall - Big Mistake or Not? (VANITY)

Anity | 1/6/19 | Self

[Badboo]

Would like to hear some pros and cons. My observations:

Trump is using it as a negotiating ploy to try and create movement on funding, but . . .

If he should do it:

1. Will be tied up in courts forever

2. It lets the racist, regressive fascists off the hook

3. Any further shutdown, while the issue is in the courts, is totally on Trump.

4. It is a way for Trump to give in, end the shutdown, say he is for the wall, but the courts won’t let him. Just like every attempt to tighten immigration.

5. Biggest problem, if it is a national emergency, why now? The flood had been going on for over a decade. No real difference.

Your ideas and vote. Should he? Should he not? I vote no. (like that counts)

[Openurmind]

I think by declaring a National Emergency the President can legally override both the Congress and the Courts. Pretty sure it is within his powers.

But it is a National Emergency... When they invade in mass groups by the thousands it is definitely a threat to our Nation. Just the “idea” is a threat alone.

[Pollster1]

I vote yes.

1. It is a national emergency.
2. President Trump can use the military for a significant part of the building effort.
3. President Trump can even “negotiate” with Mexico for them to fund the Wall: Close the border until the Wall is built unless Mexico sends the money needed to build the Wall. We can afford that economic hit far better than they can.
4. The courts have already given mixed rulings on the question of Trump’s presidential powers. Framed as national security, this could go to the Supreme Court quickly, preventing legalistic delays.

[Flintlock]

Just build the (bleeping) wall, dammit.

IGNORE any ‘court’ opposition. That worked for Lincoln and Jefferson AND Jackson—It’ll work now. What’s the Corps of Engineers FOR, anyway??

[puppypusher]

If taking in millions of unwanted,unneeded illegal alians is not a national emergency,I don’t know what is.

This country simply cannot afford to take in all of these third world people.

Let them migrate somewhere else.Like Antarctica.

[Lowell1775]

Ping

Gotta go to church to pray for the republic.

[Calvin Cooledge]

I would venture to guess that the Joint Chiefs of Staff would side with the Commander-in-Chief vs. a district judge somewhere.

[Robert DeLong]

Biggest problem, if it is a national emergency, why now? The flood had been going on for over a decade. No real difference.

Really? Apparently you were unaware:

The National Emergencies Act (NEA) authorizes the president to declare a “national emergency.”1 A declaration under NEA triggers emergency authorities contained in other federal statutes. Past NEA declarations have addressed, among other things, the imposition of export controls and limitations on transactions and property from specified nations.2 A national emergency was declared in 2001 after the September 11th terrorist attacks and has been renewed every year since then.

So would the courts even have a say? They have remained silent on the declaration of National Emergency that has been in effect for 17 years and running now.

National Emergencies Act, Sections 201 and 301

[PIF]

There are at least 3.5 billion people who, under the current legal scheme, will be able to enter the country.

Wall, plus guard towers, overlapping fields of fire - necessary until message is loud and clear: legal entry or dead.

[buckalfa]

I think that such an action would hasten the end of the Trump Presidency in that he would lose what little support he has among the Republicans and bureaucracy. A 25th Amendment crisis if you will. While the need is dire and the authority rests with the President, the action would show how pervasive the hatred is of Trump and his agenda is in the Beltway.

[CarmichaelPatriot]

When invaders are massing at the border and our citizens and law enforcement are being killed by illegals, it’s a National Emergency.

That you, or anyone else, need convincing is a National Tragedy.

[CarmichaelPatriot]

Triggering the 25th over this issue would trigger mass assinations of Leftists and Establishment Republicans. No Federal worker would be safe, either, especially higher level Deep State apparatchik.

DC and the surrounding suburbs would be ghost towns, as everyone would be afraid to show their face.

[dynoman]

Well it’s like Scott Adams said, when we lose 35K Americans to fentanyl overdose every year, and 99% of it comes from China, when we lose 72K per year total to drug overdoses, when do we call it war?

72k is more than we lost in the Vietnam war!

[Badboo]

Thanks. Good information.

But this is the era of Trump, and past precedents don’t count with the racist, regressive fascists we have on the courts.

I can’t say with any certainty but they have gone so far overboard against Trump, and Trumps DoJ is absolutely useless, why would’t they say because it’s him they will decide differently. They have done that before.

Even the Supreme court with the compromised chief justice is uncertain. Wouldn’t it be tied up for a while?

[Openurmind]

Add to that the heroin trade...

[CptnObvious]

1. It is a national emergency.

Yes, another wave of Invaders are coming! It's Time!

[central_va]

Newb building a wall under any pretext is good thing. Never let the enemy think you doubt that.

[servantboy777]

This absolutely is a national emergency.
>Diseases that have been long eradicated in the U.S., making a resurgence.
>Tons upon tons of illegal drugs pouring in and causing thousands of deaths in the U.S. along with contributing to urban decay.
>Human trafficking for the sex slave industry, particularly young teenage girls.
>Thugs associated with brutal gangs/cartels that will slit your throat with no regard to human life permeating our society. The cost of crime in our country related to illegal immigration is staggering.
>The cost to American taxpayers would blow your mind. Higher federal/state/local taxes to pay for stressed social programs, education, medical care, policing, incarceration/court proceedings, deportation, housing. Homeowner/auto insurance rates higher to pay for loss due to crime/illegals driving w/o insurance, DUIs.

It is NO wonder these statistics are hidden from the American people by the propaganda media. If all of this was to be presented in such a way as to inform Americans of the real cost to our society (not just monetary), more folks would be outraged to the point they'd gleefully seek funds for the wall.

[Robert DeLong]

That's true, but the have also set a precedent. They cannot treat the current president differently then porevious presidents.

Declaring a national state of emergency under the National Emergencies Act of 1974 outlines how a president can activate special statutory power during a crisis.

George W. Bush declared 13 emergencies and Barack Obama declared 12 -- nearly all of which are still active today. Bill Clinton declared 17 national emergencies, six of which are still active. Ronald Reagan declared six and George H.W. Bush declared four -- but all of those have been revoked by now.

The first declaration under the National Emergencies Act of 1974 came during the Iran hostage crisis -- a national emergency that is still active today. Jimmy Carter blocked Iranian government property from entering the country. It's been renewed each year by all presidents since then. Presidents must renew national emergencies every year because the statute lets emergencies automatically expire after one year.

Here's a list of the 28 active national emergencies:

1. Blocking Iranian Government Property (Nov. 14, 1979)
2. Proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction (Nov. 14, 1994)
3. Prohibiting Transactions with Terrorists Who Threaten to Disrupt the Middle East Peace Process (Jan. 23, 1995)
4. Prohibiting Certain Transactions with Respect to the Development of Iranian Petroleum Resources (Mar. 15, 1995)
5. Blocking Assets and Prohibiting Transactions with Significant Narcotics Traffickers (Oct. 21, 1995)
6. Regulations of the Anchorage and Movement of Vessels with Respect to Cuba (Mar. 1, 1996)
7. Blocking Sudanese Government Property and Prohibiting Transactions with Sudan (Nov. 3, 1997)
8. Blocking Property of Persons Who Threaten International Stabilization Efforts in the Western Balkans (Jun. 26, 2001)
9. Continuation of Export Control Regulations (Aug. 17, 2001)
10. Declaration of National Emergency by Reason of Certain Terrorist Attacks (Sept. 14, 2001)
11. Blocking Property and Prohibiting Transactions with Persons who Commit, Threaten to Commit, or Support Terrorism (Sept. 23, 2001)
12. Blocking Property of Persons Undermining Democratic Processes or Institutions in Zimbabwe (Mar. 6, 2003)
13. Protecting the Development Fund for Iraq and Certain Other Property in Which Iraq has an Interest (May 22, 2003)
14. Blocking Property of Certain Persons and Prohibiting the Export of Certain Goods to Syria (May 11, 2004)
15. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Undermining Democratic Processes or Institutions in Belarus (Jun. 16, 2006)
16. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (Oct. 27, 2006)
17. Blocking Property of Persons Undermining the Sovereignty of Lebanon or Its Democratic Processes and Institutions (Aug. 1, 2007)
18. Continuing Certain Restrictions with Respect to North Korea and North Korean Nationals (Jun. 26, 2008)
19. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in Somalia (Apr. 12, 2010)
20. Blocking Property and Prohibiting Certain Transactions Related to Libya (Feb. 25, 2011)
21. Blocking Property of Transnational Criminal Organizations (Jul. 25, 2011)
22. Blocking Property of Persons Threatening the Peace, Security, or Stability of Yemen (May 16, 2012)
23. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine (Mar. 6, 2014)
24. Blocking Property of Certain Persons With Respect to South Sudan (Apr. 3, 2014)
25. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Central African Republic (May 12, 2014)
26. Blocking Property and Suspending Entry of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela (Mar. 9, 2015)
27. Blocking the Property of Certain Persons Engaging in Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities (Apr. 1, 2015)
28. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Burundi (Nov. 23, 2015)

Certainly the courts will not block invasion of our southern border, will they? It is one national emergency that actually is a situation that pertains to this country. 8>)

They may just start a Civil War to break out if they tried to do so.

[central_va]

Ask the parents of these two teenage girls killed by an illegal alien drunk driver on '07 if it is a national emergency.

VIRGINIA BEACH - Two teenagers were killed late Friday when a car plowed into the rear of their vehicle as they waited for a green light at an intersection. The driver of the other car was charged with manslaughter.

"It's tragic is all I can say," said Jimmy Barnes, a police spokesman.

The victims were 17-year Allison Kunhardt of the 700 block of Sir Walter Circle and 16-year-old Tessa Tranchant of the 4500 block of Genoa Circle.

Charged with two counts of involuntary manslaughter is Alfredo Ramos, 22, who gave his address to police as the 100 block of Trace Court, Barnes said. That address, just off Virginia Beach Boulevard, is less than two miles from the scene of the collision.

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Alfredo Ramos was ordered to serve 24 years in prison and then be deported for the drunken driving crash that killed two teenage girls in March.