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To: Rockingham

Sure, lots of neocons are Jewish, but it should not be used as a euphemism for that.

Forget the Jewish bit—first you try to define it by that and then say it is therefor not a good term.

Those who claim to be of the right but really are interested in at least certain, if not all, foreign wars. Likely funded by the armament funders, manufacturers and traders. Likely not actually appreciative of the right’s classical liberal and libertarian background, because that is not why they have clustered to our side.

Chickenhawk also has multiple meanings. Used to also refer to men going exclusively for young girls, though in that sense it is now used exclusively for gays.

But I obviously used it in the military sense and Bolton has admitted to avoiding danger in the Vietnam War:

“During the 1969 Vietnam War draft lottery, Bolton drew number 185. (Draft numbers corresponded to birth dates.)[38] As a result of the Johnson and Nixon administrations’ decisions to rely largely on the draft rather than on the reserve forces, joining a Guard or Reserve unit became a way to avoid service in the Vietnam War, although 42 Army Reserve units were called up with 35 of them deployed to Vietnam shortly after the Tet offensive in 1968–69.[39][40] Before graduating from Yale in 1970, Bolton enlisted in the Maryland Army National Guard rather than wait to find out if his draft number would be called.[41][42] (The highest number called to military service was 195.)[43] He saw active duty for 18 weeks of training at Fort Polk, Louisiana, from July to November 1970.[42] After serving in the National Guard for four years, he served in the United States Army Reserve until the end of his enlistment two years later.[5]

He wrote in his Yale 25th reunion book “I confess I had no desire to die in a Southeast Asian rice paddy. I considered the war in Vietnam already lost.”[44] In an interview, Bolton discussed his comment in the reunion book, explaining that he decided to avoid service in Vietnam because “by the time I was about to graduate in 1970, it was clear to me that opponents of the Vietnam War had made it certain we could not prevail, and that I had no great interest in going there to have Teddy Kennedy give it back to the people I might die to take it away from.”[45][46][47]”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_R._Bolton#US_National_Guard_and_Army_Reserve_service

Bolton has pushed war over and over. He is beyond hawkish. (A term you could tolerate, perhaps?)

Good for him in supporting Trump, but he is a risk where our military’s lives are concerned. Trump seems so far to have used him well, let’s hope that continues.


29 posted on 01/06/2019 9:26:03 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker
So, what then are your definitions for "neocon" and "chicken hawk?" I note that since Bolton has been identified as a conservative his entire public life with no significant shift in his politics, just how has he become a new conservative (neocon is short for neoconservative)? Calling a long established conservative like Bolton a neocon makes no sense except as a term of insult and abuse.

As for Bolton's limited military service, it is more than most of the population has done. And if Bolton is a chicken hawk because he did not want to fight in Vietnam's rice paddies, is my father also one because he activated his Naval Reserve officer's commission and thereby avoided getting sent to Korea as an Army draftee?

I note that my father, a Kings Point graduate and a merchant marine officer at the time, requested sea duty in the war zone but the Navy instead sent him to Panama to pilot warships and war cargoes through the canal. Does the Navy's administrative decision against sea duty in the war zone mark my father as chicken hawk in that he has hawkish views?

As for Bolton, if we live long enough, we may get to read the national security strategy he helped develop for Trump, but we know enough already to see that it is similar to Reagan's strategy of victory without war by directing American economic, political, and cultural power against our adversaries.

When Trump was elected, the US was on a path towards war with North Korea. Trump -- with help from Bolton -- is instead trying to draw North Korea out of its isolation while using pressure from its neighbors to facilitate the process. Similarly, Trump (and Bolton) have organized Sunni Muslin states against Iran and are putting it under severe economic pressure that may prompt runaway inflation and a regime crisis this year or next.

30 posted on 01/06/2019 12:28:35 PM PST by Rockingham
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