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Der Spiegel Takes 18 Months to Fact Check 12 page Article about Fergus Falls, MN pop:14,000
Star Tribune ^ | Dec 25, 2018 | David Chanen

Posted on 12/27/2018 9:08:11 AM PST by 3161J410

The trouble started in early 2017 when Relotius arrived to profile a rural Midwestern community in a county that had voted for Trump in the 2016 presidential race. The idea, Der Spiegel later said, was to give readers better insight into Americans.

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1 posted on 12/27/2018 9:08:11 AM PST by 3161J410
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To: 3161J410

It was a hate piece against conservative Americans... we’re lucky it was vetted at all. In the US the corrupt assh*le would have won a Pulitzer...


2 posted on 12/27/2018 9:11:31 AM PST by GOPJ (DC Swamp critters can't sell influence or American blood in the Middle East anymore. They're frantic)
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Dear der speigel:

If you weren’t born and raised here with conservative values, you will never understand.

Now, buzz off.


3 posted on 12/27/2018 9:14:54 AM PST by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: 3161J410

I suspect huge lawsuits to follow.


4 posted on 12/27/2018 9:17:42 AM PST by rrrod (just an old guy with a gun in his pocket)
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To: rktman
Dear der speigel:

If you weren’t born and raised here with conservative values, you will never understand.

Now, buzz off.

PS: Don't make us come over there and kick your asses again!

5 posted on 12/27/2018 9:18:40 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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This challenge to the timeline for Spiegel started around 90 days after original publishing. There’s a fairly long list of challenges that came up (I seem to remember like 20 different things that were listed).

So Spiegel went to the photographer who accompanied this guy, and he kinda hinted the limited interviews to equal what was written. I think Spiegel then went to this guy in mid-summer of this year, and presented the ‘evidence’ and asked him to answer them. He couldn’t, but that delayed this until Christmas week....so this could hopefully be missed by half the regular Spiegel readers.

But it’s not really over because other articles he wrote (maybe sixty over his employment period) are being checked out. There’s another charge over inserting his own personal bank account as the ‘help-the-orphans’ story he did from six to twelve months ago. Spiegel says they are going to do a civil court action, but I think they will drop the effort in three or four months.

All of this simply draws questions about numerous stories they’ve used since the US election....done in an anti-US slant. More of the stories may be examined and pulled back.

I should note this....the type of readers who pick up Spiegel are typically university-educated Germans who claim to be intellectuals, and they often cite Spiegel as ‘factual evidence’ in their presentations or arguments. Regular Germans (working-class) don’t read Spiegel.


6 posted on 12/27/2018 9:21:01 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Still Thinking

Two time world champs in World War campaigns.


7 posted on 12/27/2018 9:22:17 AM PST by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: pepsionice

Oh, kind of like using articles from the nyt as “evidence”. Got it. LOL!


8 posted on 12/27/2018 9:23:33 AM PST by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: 3161J410

The bit about how it’s the home of Bullwinkle J. Moose and Rocky the Flying Squirrel should have set off some red flags...


9 posted on 12/27/2018 9:29:41 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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This phenomenon is not restricted to Der Spiegel, most American publications have done the same. Only the most egregious examples are caught and exposed, modern day journalists are enabled to do this and are just cautioned to make an effort to avoid getting caught.


10 posted on 12/27/2018 9:35:10 AM PST by centurion316
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Especially since it’s common knowledge that Rocky is from Pottstown, PA.


11 posted on 12/27/2018 9:42:24 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: pepsionice
... story ultimately included many falsehoods, among them — that he was greeted at the city limits by a sign that read: “Mexicans Keep Out.” Schierer said Monday that he found that whopper, stated in the opening paragraphs, the most offensive. The article then went from bizarre to just laughable, he said.

They never could have gotten away with writing a piece with this level of hate and lies IF it had been about a liberal city. They were able to write this level of hatred because of the liars and haters in OUR press paved the way.

12 posted on 12/27/2018 9:49:42 AM PST by GOPJ (DC Swamp critters can't sell influence or American blood in the Middle East anymore. They're frantic)
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And yet The Media, with a straight face, tries to tell us that "there's no such a thing as 'Fake News'".
13 posted on 12/27/2018 9:49:48 AM PST by skimbell
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To: pepsionice
... story ultimately included many falsehoods, among them — that he was greeted at the city limits by a sign that read: “Mexicans Keep Out.” Schierer said Monday that he found that whopper, stated in the opening paragraphs, the most offensive. The article then went from bizarre to just laughable, he said.

They never could have gotten away with writing a piece with this level of hate and lies IF it had been about a liberal city. They were able to write this level of hatred because of the liars and haters in OUR press who paved the way. Eff the Washington Post and New York Times.

14 posted on 12/27/2018 9:50:41 AM PST by GOPJ (DC Swamp critters can't sell influence or American blood in the Middle East anymore. They're frantic)
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To: skimbell

You will note that you cannot find ANY of the anti-Trump articles in question, other than the Fergus one, on Google. Wiped clean...


15 posted on 12/27/2018 9:51:25 AM PST by tcrlaf (They told me it could never happen in America. And then it did....)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Rocky & Bullwinkle are from Frostbite Falls.


16 posted on 12/27/2018 9:53:30 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Gone but not forgiven.)
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To: 3161J410

My wife has a ton of relatives in Fergus Falls. I could have cleared this up in an hour.


17 posted on 12/27/2018 9:54:18 AM PST by shelterguy
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Liberal Germans are ALMOST as ignorant of the United States as US liberals. I'm surprised this lefty propagandist didn't claim that Fergus Falls wasn't the birthplace of Old Shatterhand, Karl May's "cowboy". (May was a German dime novel author who was taken as an expert on the American West, although he had never been in the US. Hitler was a big fan...)

This is flyover country, after all.

18 posted on 12/27/2018 9:55:14 AM PST by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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To: reg45
Rocky & Bullwinkle are from Frostbite Falls.

Yes, I know. My little dig at Der Spiegel was apparently lost on you geography buffs out there.


19 posted on 12/27/2018 10:00:39 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: rktman
Maybe its better they don't understand us.


20 posted on 12/27/2018 10:07:47 AM PST by BeauBo
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