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To: EQAndyBuzz

The AR-15 reliability issue is extremely overplayed by people that have no experience with them. Yes, there were issues with the M16 when first issued in Vietnam. It was an attempt to get by on the cheap and the problem was with the ammo, not the operating system.

If you are looking for your first AR. I would recommend the Ruger AR-556, or the Smith and Wesson M&P15. These are very well manufactured rifles from reliable sources that have a great entry level price point.

You can mount a basic low-cost red dot on them, and replace the milspec trigger with a match trigger easily enough. Within a week you’ll have a really fine little AR to work with. Then, shoot the dog crap out of it!!! If you fall in love, then you can spend some real money if you like.


48 posted on 12/12/2018 1:14:24 PM PST by The Toll
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To: The Toll
The AR-15 reliability issue is extremely overplayed by people that have no experience with them. Yes, there were issues with the M16 when first issued in Vietnam. It was an attempt to get by on the cheap and the problem was with the ammo, not the operating system.

It's still a problem. I know. From personal experience - and the experiences of several close friends.

In Iraq - brand new M16A4. I used it at the range before deployment; it was LTI'd (inspected by the armorers) before deployment. It was regularly cleaned and well maintained on deployment (Marines are anal like that).

Once the heavy shooting started - It failed twice requiring remedial action during house to house fighting in Fallujah. Trying to clear a jam and unfoul your gas tube while getting shot at = not much f'n fun at all.

During a firefight, my buddy shot the gas tube out of his in Afghanistan. Basically turning it into a glorified bolt action .22

You go to the range and shoot? Great the average shooter will have 0 issues.

You get in a TIC? Great the average shooter will have 0 issues.

You wind up pinned down and surrounded in an ambush? You find yourself doing house to house in continuous contact when it's drizzling outside and everything is grimy? ie. when your buddy's ass is on the line, and your ass is on the line?

M16/AR wouldn't be my first choice.

You fight with the gun you're issued - I took an M16 in one variant or another across x4 combat deployments. Now that I do my own procurement and logistics? I don't own a single AR....

And aside from all that - I've seen a dude (high) take 4 rnds 5.56 to the chest at less than 30m, run - yes run away. Probably died later -but he was still in the fight after two double taps to the chest.

Your preferences and mileage may vary.

71 posted on 12/12/2018 2:08:44 PM PST by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy saints surrounded.)
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To: The Toll

Thank you Toll ping


73 posted on 12/12/2018 2:39:19 PM PST by onona (It is often wise to allow a person a graceful path.)
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