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To: rollo tomasi
Power will always concentrate. Deposing a monarchy simply transfers the process to another plane. The finance/media conglomerates comprise the new aristocracy, exactly as Jefferson warned.

So, if the end result is the same, which one by its very nature tends to favor the civil rights and economic interests of the productive class? Because if the new boss is the same as the old boss, might one be more favorable yet?

That's the essential crux of the matter. Hereditary, culturally aligned property owners will align with the natives. Commercial, borderless corporatism will maximize whatever population power advantage they can gain.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating. We are living & breathing this very maxim right here, right now.

154 posted on 12/05/2018 12:45:25 PM PST by semantic
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To: semantic
We are actually sharing a memorial/funeral service with a nation and family for a former sitting President, and this along with our POTUS and FLOTUS........

It appears you're using it as a pedestal for airing and lecturing political grievances..... THAT is the proof of the pudding.

159 posted on 12/05/2018 12:58:43 PM PST by caww
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To: semantic
which one by its very nature tends to favor the civil rights and economic interests of the productive class?

The state of nature in a pure form. The biggest flaw in the Constitution is Article III. Several "Causes" that were not hammered out but compromised so that something could pass were secondary flaws. Either one is better than a monarchy because the productive class and an upwardly mobile class at least have a say in matters unlike the totalitarianism you promote. Hamilton/Adams promoted the natural aristocracy, Jefferson (You mentioned) railed against this. Their "egoism" won out, not the classical liberals which you derail that, so the monster you see now is the monster you wanted in the first place.

Those who debated the Constitution had different trains of thought. Reliance on a ambiguous central State won out which has propelled your corporate/big business State through case law (Reading way too much in the Commerce Clause) and "the king's law" (Administrative law) that Congress (Weaponized the Necessity and Proper clause) regrettably passed on their power to.

Because if the new boss is the same as the old boss, might one be more favorable yet?

Our system right now emulates your proposal in more ways than one because of the strong centralized State. The minority of those you say were driven by egoism were against this centralized State that you proposed. Madison is Exhibit A from realizing the flaws since he backtracked from his previous mistakes. Unfortunately this was too late.
211 posted on 12/05/2018 4:56:54 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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