Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

California wildfires released one year's worth of power pollution
The Hill ^ | 12/02/18 | Emily Birnbaum

Posted on 12/02/2018 8:41:26 PM PST by yesthatjallen

Forest fires in California this year released carbon emissions equivalent to the amount produced to power the state's electricity for one year, according to a new analysis from the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS).

The wildfires, including last month's record-breaking fires in Northern and Southern California, released 68 million tons of carbon dioxide as they incinerated huge swaths of land and destroyed thousands of homes this year. That is roughly the same amount of carbon emissions typically produced to power the entire state for a year, according to a statement from the Interior Department on Friday.

"We know that wildfires can be deadly and cost billions of dollars, but this analysis from the U.S. Geological Survey also shows just how bad catastrophic fires are for the environment and for the public's health," Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke said in the statement.

The carbon emissions from the wildfires accounted for 15 percent of all California emissions, the statement noted.

November's wildfires, which included the deadliest and most destructive fires in the state's history, released 5.5 million tons of carbon dioxide.

In the statement, Zinke echoed President Trump in saying the wildfires could be mainly attributed to improper forest management.

Fire officials and lawmakers in California have vehemently pushed against this assessment, saying forest management is one of a number of issues that could have caused the wildfires. California Gov. Jerry Brown (D) last month said the wildfires, which killed at least 91 people, were likely connected to the intensifying effects of climate change.

Brown called the wildfires part of California's "new abnormal."

Zinke's statement comes as he continues to cast doubt on a new dire federal climate change report, which warns that the devastating effects of climate change will slash the U.S. economy and harm peoples' day-to-day lives if leaders at all levels do not take stronger action immediately. Zinke has questioned the methods used by the 300 government and non-government scientists who contributed to the report, which was authorized by 13 federal agencies.

The report predicts that wildfires will continue to grow larger, more costly and more deadly as temperatures rise and the climate becomes drier due to human-caused climate change.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: airquality; california; carbon; climatechange; fakescience; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; pollution; wildfires
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041 next last
To: yesthatjallen

Lefties are so incredibly dumb. Allow all these people to move into danger zones, don’t allow any mitigation of threats, then expect nothing bad to happen. The level of stupid hurts my brain.


21 posted on 12/02/2018 10:31:34 PM PST by vpintheak (Freedom is not equality; and equality is not freedom!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: abigkahuna
It’s simple....what’s in your house? What chemicals, cleaners, paints, etc? That is what burned.

That's troubling when you put it that way. Think of all the CFL and other florescent lightbulbs that contain mercury. All the cleaners that contain ammonia, sulphuric acid (drain cleaners), and other toxics. Insulation that has fiberglass, PCBs, formaldehyde and other bad chemicals. Oil lubricants, degreasers, paint removers, etc. Shingles and tarpaper on roofs. And automobiles which are full of many toxics including lead batteries. Yep, a real toxic brew that burned.

22 posted on 12/02/2018 10:34:24 PM PST by roadcat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Boomer
But try having a fire in your fireplace in the Bay Area and you will have the fireplace police on you like white on rice.

One of my neighbors gets away with it here in South SF. He is constantly burning trash in his fireplace, which stinks up the neighborhood. I'm not talking regular firewood. He literally burns trash that includes plastics. He picks up scrap wood from various sources that is painted or was treated as exterior wood with chemicals.

How he gets away with it: for years he has said the fireplace is his only source of heat. And burns even on the hottest days. There's the exemption, just claim your furnace is broken and you get away with burning toxic garbage.

23 posted on 12/02/2018 10:39:02 PM PST by roadcat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: roadcat; abigkahuna

Not to mention all the plastics in homes today. IIRC some 12k homes burned in the Camp Fire.

But the sheer volume of smoke from the tens of thousands of forested acres burned dwarfs that. Pine smoke is rather toxic and those forests are almost all pine.


24 posted on 12/02/2018 10:41:58 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Nailbiter
not a believer in man made global warming-

Good.

I got my degree in meteorology and I still cannot talk sense to my sister about global warming.

She believes it, even when I told her that we are entering a cooling phase based on the lack of sunspots.

25 posted on 12/02/2018 11:33:22 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: yesthatjallen

the rescent wild fires were named “camp fires” my guess is with all the illegals and homeless living in the forest this and the enviro Nazis are the cause of it.


26 posted on 12/03/2018 2:52:01 AM PST by ronnie raygun
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: yesthatjallen

This is complete nonsense - as expected from Global Warming worshipers. Even if you pretend that CO2 is pollution, they are still wrong. If you burn every field and forest in CA for the next century, you release a lot of CO2. If you put out every forest and brush fire in CA for the next century and prevent all burning, the wood and grass will still decompose - releasing almost exactly the same amount of CO2. The precise chemistry involved does not matter, not when the amount of carbon is conserved.


27 posted on 12/03/2018 3:17:48 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ronnie raygun
the rescent wild fires were named “camp fires” my guess is with all the illegals and homeless living in the forest this and the enviro Nazis are the cause of it.

You don't follow the news much, do you? It's called the 'Camp Fire' because of where it originated - near Camp Creek Road. And it likely had nothing to do with illegals or anyone camping in the forest - as of now PG&E (power company) is the prime suspect.
28 posted on 12/03/2018 4:37:23 AM PST by Svartalfiar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Svartalfiar

Yeah - but a lot of illegals use PG&E electricity, so....

It will be interesting to see what happens to PG&E if it is proven they were the source. I read where somebody called in the sparking wires, and PG&E said they would send a crew out once the winds had decreased.

I can see them having rules about working on wires in high winds. But one would think they would have the foresight to at least notify the fire department.


29 posted on 12/03/2018 4:43:23 AM PST by 21twelve (!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: yesthatjallen

30 posted on 12/03/2018 4:50:06 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true; I have no proof .... but they're true.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: abigkahuna
come down with some sort of “crud” after breathing all this smoke here in Butte County

You can thank your "air quality" management board. They are the ones who don't allow presriptive burning, even on federal land, because someone might breathe a little smoke from that. That was the cause of the catastrophic fire. Specifically Butte county AQ only allows 6000 acres out of one million acres to burned at any one time (natural or manmade) during the short safe burn season.

Ironically they are correct. The fires needed for proper management would have caused smoke for two months at least back in May and June burning somewhat wet fuels. Instead they allowed the fuel to fully dry out, causing a fire with less smoke. The tradeoff for them was 100 people burned alive.. They probably figure that was a small price to pay.

31 posted on 12/03/2018 4:53:56 AM PST by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: 21twelve
It will be interesting to see what happens to PG&E if it is proven they were the source. I read where somebody called in the sparking wires, and PG&E said they would send a crew out once the winds had decreased.

I can see them having rules about working on wires in high winds. But one would think they would have the foresight to at least notify the fire department.


So I do some events for Oncor and especially their safety meetings. If there's reports of wires down and sparking, they will IMMEDIATELY have a crew go out and at least look at it, and de-energize the line if anything is down. They may not go up in the bucket in wind, but they'll at least get the wires turned off.

Kinda long safety video - Oncor Arcing Video

And here's a school safety class, has much better demo arcs - Oncor Arc Demo
32 posted on 12/03/2018 5:12:08 AM PST by Svartalfiar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: yesthatjallen

oh goody
and more illegals help this how?


33 posted on 12/03/2018 5:14:49 AM PST by ßuddaßudd ((>> M A G A << "What the hell kind of country is this if I can only hate a man if he's white?")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: abigkahuna

Plus some warehouse’s full of bad stuff.


34 posted on 12/03/2018 6:09:45 AM PST by jetson
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: yesthatjallen

I’m all for global warming.

Throughout human history, whenever temperatures rose, crops and people thrived, whenever temperatures dropped, crops failed and huge percentages of the population starved.

Throughout the paleontological record life thrived in warmer climates, and became scarce when it was chilly.

You like life? Embrace warming. You do like life, right?


35 posted on 12/03/2018 6:22:34 AM PST by null and void (Socialist Worker's Party. If they ever get elected, you'll work and they'll party.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: yesthatjallen

That’s right whi... uh, green of them.


36 posted on 12/03/2018 6:22:54 AM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know. how people are infected with Ebola.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Telepathic Intruder
But you can’t tax a wildfire. We still have to blame the humans.

You can blame PG&E for not violating the law and trimming under their power lines.

37 posted on 12/03/2018 6:24:38 AM PST by null and void (Socialist Worker's Party. If they ever get elected, you'll work and they'll party.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: ProtectOurFreedom
That is the real pollution, not a colorless, odorless, tasteless, inert essential plant nutrient gas.
38 posted on 12/03/2018 6:29:07 AM PST by null and void (Socialist Worker's Party. If they ever get elected, you'll work and they'll party.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: yesthatjallen

This year there have been burned in the USA, 8,543,463 acres of land.

In 1957, there were so many fires they would would cover the entire state of Louisiana which is 530,000,000 acres.

Yet no one blamed glo-bull warming back then.


39 posted on 12/03/2018 6:58:21 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: null and void

That too!


40 posted on 12/03/2018 1:00:04 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson