Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: the_daug
"The crew must have done something preventing the MCAS system producing the nose down trim inputs."

Its called switching off the "Stabilizer Trim Main Electric (MAIN ELECT) Cutout Switch" located below the throttle quadrant.

Pretty fundamental stuff when ecountering a "Runaway Stab Trim." as they clearly identified when the report says they "manually trimed" the airplane nose up immediately after takeoff. Turn OFF the damn cutoff switches! How hard is that?

Of course Boeing will be required to take most of the blame (deep pocket rule), but so far what we know, flight crew clearly screwed up.

3 posted on 11/24/2018 8:41:13 PM PST by saywhatagain
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]


To: saywhatagain

Its called switching off the “Stabilizer Trim Main Electric (MAIN ELECT) Cutout Switch” located below the throttle quadrant.

Pretty fundamental stuff when ecountering a “Runaway Stab Trim.” as they clearly identified when the report says they “manually trimed” the airplane nose up immediately after takeoff. Turn OFF the damn cutoff switches! How hard is that?

...

Agreement. This plane should not have crashed.


8 posted on 11/24/2018 11:15:52 PM PST by Moonman62 (Give a man a fish and he'll be a Democrat. Teach a man to fish and he'll be a responsible citizen.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies ]

To: saywhatagain
YouTube video "Boeing 737 CL Runaway Stabilizer - BAA Training."
11 posted on 11/24/2018 11:22:36 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies ]

To: saywhatagain; the_daug; Moonman62; ProtectOurFreedom; The_Media_never_lie; SkyDancer

This was not what is known as “runaway trim”. The MCAS worked exactly as it was supposed to, with tragic results, because of systems interactions (AOA vane on Captain’s side causing stick shaker and creating the condition causing the MCAS to intervene). MCAS is unique to the 737 Max — it isn’t on the 737 NG, classic, etc., and none of the world’s 737 Max crews have ever known about the existence of MCAS, until now.

If they had left the flaps down this would not have happened (no MCAS with flaps extended) as seen during the seconds following the initial stick shaker. But that’s a systems insight unknown to them since Boeing never told the operators about the existence of MCAS or its systems characteristics.

Additionally, the crew was likely confused by the intermittent nature of the (MCAS-induced) nose down trim — every time either pilot used nose-up yoke trim to counteract the nose-down trim, the MCAS cut out for about 5 seconds, then resumed nose-down for up to 10 seconds (or until interrupted by nose-up yoke trim again). This happened over a dozen times as the Captain flew the airplane, suppressing the symptoms of MCAS intervention, making the down-trimming actions insidious, probably until he handed over the controls to the first officer (who unfortunately didn’t interrupt the MCAS with opposite trim in a timely manner, resulting in further nose-down trim to the point of no return).

If the crew had activated the stab trim cutout switch it would have precluded MCAS activation — but until the flaps came up all they had was a stick shaker induced by the defective AOA vane, not MCAS activation, so their mindset was not focused on the trim at the time. Apparently the previous crew never experienced MCAS trim activation (perhaps the flaps were left extended).

This was an experienced crew with 6,000/5,000 hours for the Captain/First Officer, respectively. Perhaps if they had been better trained they would have tried using the Stab Trim Cutout switch, but like the crew of Air France 447, tragically the best remedy just wasn’t apparent to them given the sequence of events and the confusion.

Boeing is indeed culpable to a large degree, as we will see. They never told crews (or the airlines) about MCAS. There was no training at any airline associated with MCAS. They didn’t think it was important enough (and it’s worth noting: airlines want to keep training as short as possible since training costs money, requires instructor/simulator time, and means down time for crews vs. flying revenue trips). There will be consequences for Boeing.


22 posted on 11/25/2018 11:53:42 AM PST by zipper (In their heart of hearts, every Democrat is a communist)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson