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Why California's Best Strategy Against Wildfire Is Hardly Ever Used
KQED.org ^ | November 13, 2018 | KQED Science

Posted on 11/13/2018 2:15:12 AM PST by knarf

Found while researching


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1 posted on 11/13/2018 2:15:12 AM PST by knarf
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To: knarf

DUH. California knows. We all know.

What we don’t know is why they accept the alternative, which is catastrophic.


2 posted on 11/13/2018 2:20:40 AM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: knarf

IMO, inadequate forestry management.


3 posted on 11/13/2018 2:28:18 AM PST by duckman ( Not tired of winning!)
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To: Drango
That's the problem with FR ... it is only "we"

I link FR articles apropos to my FB subject matter all the time

I tell my FB readers I link to FR because the link they click on will not gunk up their computer with pop ups and they can decide for themselves to click on the source or not.

I WANT to think we've gained some members because of that, but no one has ever said so.

Be that as it may ..... Your statement of "WE all know that" .... should open our eyes.


Why DID the Republicans do so badly ?

Maybe "we" never went beyounf "our"

4 posted on 11/13/2018 2:31:54 AM PST by knarf
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To: knarf

This actually goes back to the Clinton days when they wanted the forests to be “natural.” Of course back before man was around these fires lasted until the wet season started.

These people are morons. They don’t clear the underbrush, and then they build homes in the middle of it.


5 posted on 11/13/2018 2:47:02 AM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: Vermont Lt
Such a simple statement, but it triggered my imagination :

"Yes, it IS beautiful ISN'T it Alice ? ... I mean ... look at the towering flames on all sides ! ...... I'm SO blessed to have married a man that could afford to burn us up alive !"

6 posted on 11/13/2018 2:52:59 AM PST by knarf
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To: Vermont Lt

Basically the rich denizens didn’t like to hear chain saws or smell a bit of smoke throughout the year.


7 posted on 11/13/2018 2:55:16 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death by cults.)
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To: Vermont Lt

“These people are morons. They don’t clear the underbrush, and then they build homes in the middle of it.”

For sure. The problem is not the fires. The problem is the houses. Fires are nature’s way of cleansing the land and is actually good for it. But, if houses are built in a high risk area eventually they will burn along with the forest underbrush. Kinda similar to building a house in a flood zone and then be surprised when one’s house is flooded. Duh....


8 posted on 11/13/2018 2:57:15 AM PST by snoringbear (,W,E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: Vermont Lt
This actually goes back to the Clinton days when they wanted the forests to be “natural.” Of course back before man was around these fires lasted until the wet season started.

Hate to tell you, but this goes back to well before the Clintons, at most they just put in place people in the Forest Service that went with sue and settle to both fund Enviro wackos and end forest management on much of the Western US. The Enviros were suing to stop forest management since the Ford admin at least.

9 posted on 11/13/2018 3:04:55 AM PST by Fraxinus (My opinion, worth what you paid.)
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To: knarf

Down here in MS, they do controlled burns all the time to reduce undergrowth...


10 posted on 11/13/2018 3:33:05 AM PST by trebb (Those who don't donate anything tend to be empty gasbags...no-value-added types)
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To: Fraxinus

Where it started...

The Sierra Club is an environmental organization in the United States. It was founded on May 28, 1892, in San Francisco, California, by the Scottish-American preservationist John Muir.

Now they have become a donation skimming and laundering political organization. But to receive donations to skim, you have to promote a cause. You perpetually need “something to save”, and if they can’t find something handy they ad lib and create something that needs saving whether it really does or not. Got to keep those Communist bucks rolling in.

This organization is the greatest threat to the freedom of this country and directly at fault for all these environmental disasters gone wrong. And they don’t even really care anymore as long as the donations keep coming in.


11 posted on 11/13/2018 4:00:43 AM PST by Openurmind
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ignoring the unproven opening line:

- With climate change, wildfires threaten disaster and chaos in more California communities, more often -

it is interesting this was on Public Broadcasting Service KQED.

meanwhile, President Trump is mocked and attacked for telling the truth!


12 posted on 11/13/2018 4:04:05 AM PST by MAGAthon
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To: snoringbear

Bingo. Very nice analogy that is non-confrontational enough that anyone of reasonably good will and average intelligence ought to get the point.


13 posted on 11/13/2018 4:11:36 AM PST by Hieronymus ((It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G. K. Chesterton))
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To: knarf

https://oaklandnorth.net/2011/10/31/after-1991-fire-oaklanders-debate-growth-of-eucalyptus/

Malibu has ~900 eucalyptus trees which are a known fire hazard. The city wanted to take them out for ~$900K. There was too much push back from residents and environmentalists so they dropped the tree removal. I suspect the fire damage caused by the eucalyptus trees catching on fire vastly exceeded the $900K cost for removal.


14 posted on 11/13/2018 4:11:37 AM PST by EVO X
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To: Vermont Lt

They began working on making forests “natural” during the Kennedy administration. By the Carter years when I was out there it had become very much like it is now, and I was horrified at the lack of maintained fire breaks.


15 posted on 11/13/2018 4:19:12 AM PST by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: knarf
With climate change, wildfires threaten disaster and chaos in more California communities, more often. But experts say it’s possible to avoid catastrophic harm to human and forest health by setting planned burns before human error, lightning or arson choose when fires start.

Sorry, I will not read propaganda.

16 posted on 11/13/2018 4:28:10 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: Drango

Because the left is all about killing people off.


17 posted on 11/13/2018 4:32:51 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: MAGAthon

Trace back every one of the anti-human fanatical environmental actions in this country for the last hundred years and you will find the Sierra Club started it or helped fund it.

From their very first efforts forward, Water sources, Logging, Fishing, The Endangered Species act and the Spotted Owl, Desert Tortoise, Lizards, Bugs, and now even weeds.

Their very first action which started their following modus operandi

“In the first decade of the 1900s, the Sierra Club became embroiled in the Hetch Hetchy Reservoir controversy that divided preservationists from “resource management” conservationists. In the late 19th century, the city of San Francisco was rapidly outgrowing its limited water supply, which depended on intermittent local springs and streams. In 1890, San Francisco mayor James D. Phelan proposed to build a dam and aqueduct on the Tuolumne River, one of the largest southern Sierra rivers, as a way to increase and stabilize the city’s water supply.[10]

Gifford Pinchot, a progressive supporter of public utilities and head of the US Forest Service, which then had jurisdiction over the national parks, supported the creation of the Hetch Hetchy dam. Muir appealed to his friend U.S. President Roosevelt, who would not commit himself against the dam, given its popularity with the people of San Francisco (a referendum in 1908 confirmed a seven-to-one majority in favor of the dam and municipal water). Muir and attorney William Edward Colby began a national campaign against the dam, attracting the support of many eastern conservationists. With the 1912 election of U.S. President Woodrow Wilson, who carried San Francisco, supporters of the dam had a friend in the White House.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierra_Club


18 posted on 11/13/2018 4:41:34 AM PST by Openurmind
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To: Vermont Lt

“This actually goes back to the Clinton days when they wanted the forests to be “natural.”

California should be able to have their forests any way they want, and they should accept the consequences without complaint.


19 posted on 11/13/2018 4:56:23 AM PST by cymbeline
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To: Jonty30

Absolutely another huge factor, This is why they will not allow water desalination plants along the coast. They are ugly and they don’t want to see them from their backyard swimming pools or their golf courses.

Good to see they are so rational and have their priorities straight.


20 posted on 11/13/2018 5:01:41 AM PST by Openurmind
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